How St. Teresa Led Me Away From God As A Child.

[Aloysius]

yes they are. we are given absolute religious certitude that those who the Church says are in heaven are actually in heaven. if the Church were not protected from error in this regard, she would be binding her children in error and possibly permitting them to pray to people who are in hell.

those who have been removed from the calander due to lack of certitude about the historicity of accounts about their life are not de-sainted, we know that there was someone likely named Christopher who led a life of heroic sanctity and virtue and made it to heaven, all the things said about him may not necessarily be true, but we know with absolute certitude that there is a St. Christopher in heaven from that time.

canonizations are infallible as an expression of the universal ordinary magisterium and the specific magisterium of the pope. God would not allow them to lift someone to sainthood who was not in heaven, to do so would be to, in effect, permit the Church to promote prayers to demons.

[Ash Wednesday]

Just checking in on the debate table, and all I can say is, wow. Someone has serious issues...

Edited October 6, 2006 by Ash Wednesday

[uruviel]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1085021' date='Oct 5 2006, 04:15 PM']
yes they are. we are given absolute religious certitude that those who the Church says are in heaven are actually in heaven. if the Church were not protected from error in this regard, she would be binding her children in error and possibly permitting them to pray to people who are in hell.

those who have been removed from the calander due to lack of certitude about the historicity of accounts about their life are not de-sainted, we know that there was someone likely named Christopher who led a life of heroic sanctity and virtue and made it to heaven, all the things said about him may not necessarily be true, but we know with absolute certitude that there is a St. Christopher in heaven from that time.

canonizations are infallible as an expression of the universal ordinary magisterium and the specific magisterium of the pope. God would not allow them to lift someone to sainthood who was not in heaven, to do so would be to, in effect, permit the Church to promote prayers to demons.
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Thank you Aloysius. You always put things so very clear, into perspective. much better than I could do.

[Guest Rick777]

[quote name='tomasio127' post='1083017' date='Oct 3 2006, 12:03 PM']
I have read the Story of a Soul, and like many other before me, I found it extremely inspiring.

I can not even begin to discuss in a Christlike manner how thouroughly this post of yours sickens me Budge.

May the Holy Spirit lead you out of darkness and into His marvelous light.
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You finally read? Awesome right?

[Winchester]

[quote name='uruviel' post='1085780' date='Oct 6 2006, 10:22 PM']
Thank you Aloysius. You always put things so very clear, into perspective. much better than I could do.
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Funny you should pick him, since that's my parish.

[HeavenlyCalling]

I LOVED [i]Story of a Soul[/i] it was BEAUTIFUL! I reciently began to feel called to the religious life, and her book offers great advice in my times of doubt. A wonderful and Holy women, and someone I feel very close to spiritually. And I also objet to you calling a Docter of the Church a demon.

Edited October 8, 2006 by HeavenlyCalling

[Cam42]

[quote name='Budge' post='1080713' date='Oct 1 2006, 11:23 AM']
Isnt today her feast day?

When i was young, a relative bought me an old book called

[i]A Story of A Soul[/i], I read this book while very young.

In many ways it led me away from God. I will explain.
[img]http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0935216588.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg[/img]
Remembering this book I realized that Teresa was a loving girl who sought God, but from todays perspective, I know she was given a false god. She did not know the comfort of the Holy Spirit. She had no inkling of truth in Jesus Christ or of Gods Word.

She spoke often of God as bringing her suffering and how her suffering would save her. In fact as I read this book as a youngster--I think I was around 8-10 or so, I found myself thinking God is an ogre. How could He be so cruel to Teresa? One sees in her book even the horrible Catholic outcome of people turning to Mary for comfort and solace, while God brings nothing but suffering. In fact in the first chapter she entrusts her book to "my darling Mother" [who of course is Mary}

Like so many of these saints, they have communion with a false jesus that tells them to make themselves as victims and seek their salvation through their own suffering and works rather then trusting in Jesus Christ. Rather then trusting in the promises of the Bible where we are promised life more abundantly through Jesus Christ and joy....many of these saints seek after their own suffering led by a false Jesus.

Just read this from a writing about St. Teresa...
[url="http://www.ewtn.com/therese/readings/readng4.htm"]LINK[/url]

Consider how this is a twisted presentation of Gods love...Gods Love does not destroy it heals. This is an example of Teresa being in delusion from a false spirit leading her away from the true nature of God.
Looking to her own sufferings over and over....

Refusing to kill flies that hovered over her while she was ill.

From Mother Agnes's notes
[link=www.ewtn.com/therese/readings/readng9.htm]www.ewtn.com/therese/readings/readng9.htm[/link]
So as I read this book on Teresas life, as a young child, I found myself led away from God. I saw a young seemingly nice girl loved by her parents, who was literally being *tortured* by God. This was one thing that led me to atheism at a very young age. I in fact remember reading this book with a sense of horror and thinking I could never love a god like that. {I am sure some of this early discernment was related to the fact that God knew I was to be written in the book of life.}

In fact I remember crying over this girl, and what happened to her.

This is just one example of one Catholic "saint" led into deceptions byt the false Christ taught in Catholcism.

But St. Teresa follows many of the same paths they take...

1. False attributes of God, contrary to His Word.

2. Seeking salvation or salvation of others by their own suffering.
There is nothing of this...

[size=2]Mat 11:30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.[/size]

Jesus brings a person life MORE ABUNDANTLY.

The true Jesus does not order an ill girl to let flies crawl all over her.
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I realize I am about to engage an ad hominem. I realize that I am about to say something ridiculously uncharitable (from a shallow point of view), but......

[b][size=20]ARE YOU NUTS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?[/size][/b]

She is a doctor of the Church.......

Oh yeah, that would be the reason, you missed the point, AGAIN!!!!!!

[brendan1104]

Budge. You are the one person in this world- and to think I don't know you personally- who annoys and receives my deepest pity the most in this world.

[Guest JeffCR07]

The tree will be known by the fruit that it bears. St. Therese lived a life of extreme holiness, and the Holy Spirit has inspired countless numbers of people to return to Christ. Even some Eastern Orthodox venerate her. The fruit that her life has born is truly awe inspiring, and nothing more needs to be said. We need simply to marvel at God's Glory.

[uruviel]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1086097' date='Oct 7 2006, 07:14 AM']
Funny you should pick him, since that's my parish.
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what?

[quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1086566' date='Oct 7 2006, 10:24 PM']
I LOVED [i]Story of a Soul[/i] it was BEAUTIFUL! I reciently began to feel called to the religious life, and her book offers great advice in my times of doubt. A wonderful and Holy women, and someone I feel very close to spiritually. And I also objet to you calling a Docter of the Church a demon.
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I think allot of people can so easily relate to her because of her 'little way'. We all love the saints and strive to live like they taught us to, but in reality we all know that some of the things that most saints did were given to them through grace, not to mention it was much simpler back then. So many of the saints seem distant to us in a way because of their extraordinary holiness and love for God. But with the little flower we can follow her little way. She taught us that God loves us because we are little, not because we are great. She teaches us that God accepts the little things we offer Him and He blows them up for more merit then they are worth. Her little way was done with every little thing throughout every day. Anything she could possibly imagine to offer to our Lord she would, everything she did was done with our Lord and we can relate to that. We can relate to littleness and helplessness. Ah.. ok....anyways....
Sometimes I think budge only brings up these discussions to get everyone angry and make everyone blow them out of porportion. Which is usually what y'all end up doing, she seems to love starting a fire and backing away, watching us blow it up. I don't know........ Your in my prayers budge.

[uruviel]

Budge you left this topic. I was actually interested in this debate, and you dropped your point, you left!

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='uruviel' post='1092292' date='Oct 15 2006, 06:48 PM']
Budge you left this topic. I was actually interested in this debate, and you dropped your point, you left!
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To Budge's credit, she left because she was suspended.

[HeavenlyCalling]

Why was she suspended?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1092339' date='Oct 15 2006, 07:30 PM']
Why was she suspended?
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That's not public information. That she was suspended was already revealed.

[Guest Rick777]

I'm glad she left this thread...I'd rather her not be bashing St. Therese. And I don't think she was even open to anyone else's feelings on the matter.