N/A Gone Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 st.Christopher was a saint, and now he isnt..hmm..If it infallible than how could it be changed? Also, didnt the early church often declare their own saints locally until it got out of control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Yeah I think the early Church did have local canonizations. I think the infallibility only applies to the universal canonizations done through whatever the approved process is of the time. I wasn't aware St. Christopher was no longer a saint. He still is in my Church anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I saw something on it..cant remember where Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I don't know. New Advent didn't have anything on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 discovery channel had something. Actually interesting in the Bio part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 They didn't make him no longer a saint, they just removed him from the calendar. He's still just as much a Saint as he ever was St. Christopher, ora pro nobis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 They said that he never existed. But was a myth. I like saint Christopher. I travel alot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Well if you want to get technical, what the article says is that the information we have about him is from legend. They do say that a martyr St. Christopher did exist and we know this from Nicholas Serarius and Molanus. We just don't know any facts about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 exactly. as the Catholic Encyclopedia says of St. Christohper: A martyr, probably of the third century. Although St. Christopher is one of the most popular saints in the East and in the West, almost nothing certain is known about his life or death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswranch Posted October 8, 2006 Author Share Posted October 8, 2006 In the case of St. Christopher, I suppose it is hard to have a feast day of a man that has never been infallibly canonized(?) when we have so many other canonized superstars to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Where do you get that he was never canonized? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswranch Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share Posted October 9, 2006 (edited) [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1086903' date='Oct 8 2006, 08:06 PM'] Where do you get that he was never canonized? [/quote] Just what I heard. notice the (?) behind the statement. Do you know the date he was infallibly canonized? Were you or anyone else able to find additional sources on the infallibility of canonization? Edited October 9, 2006 by jswranch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollyDolly Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Many of the early saints and holy martyers of the church we know very little about.We know about Sts'Perpetua and Felicity from surving writings,as we do for some of the early saints.others,like St.Christopher,we have very few surving records of.Kind of like doing a history of your ancestors.Some records of your family maybe very old,and another branch of the family you might not get past say the 15th or 16th century.Why,because of wars,fires of churches or public record halls,etc.some of these records are lost.The same way with Saints. many of these saints like Christopher were made saints by the people.The folks who lived in his area may have started praying to him because they thought he was a good christian man and asked him to pray to God for them.There is ancient graffiti asking Sts.Peter and Paul to pray for them. It was some time I believe in the Middle Ages when they finally put forth the formula for canonizations. The role of the Devil's Advocate was to state reasons and cite sources from the life and writings of the proposed saint,that would show cause why this person should not be made a saint.That was their job.And if they had living witnesses so much the better. I believe the church still uses the Devil's Advocate in canonization cases. I think the question has come up because of the contraversy surrounding Opus Dei and also some things people have said about Mother Teresa. Why worry about St.Christopher?God takes care of His own.There are men and women saints whom others can relate to.Like St.Thomas More,who was a family man and lawyer,Lord Chancellor to King Henry the Eigth.St.Marguerite D'Youville,foundress of the Sisters of Charity or Grey Sisters as they are known in Canada.Before starting her community,she was a widow with two sons to support.St.Germaine de Pibrac, who was an abused as a child.And there are others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 (edited) In my mind it doesn't make alot of differenc in a sense if he existed or not, was canoized or not, etc. etc.. God knows the heart and if someone is praying to him in a Catholic manner with a clean and sincere heart God will hear the prayer. It could well be also that God himself has assigned someone who was never canonized but was a great saint to fill the role. Who knows. Edited October 10, 2006 by thessalonian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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