Where Interfaithism Has Led You

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[quote name='Budge' post='1078236' date='Sep 28 2006, 06:34 PM']
To New Reformation:
Unlike you who has totally sold out, Im going to tell these Catholics the truth.
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The problem of course, its just your little personal version of the truth, and carries no more weight than anyone else private interpretation.
The difference is NewReformation has a 100 % better chance of getting points across than you ever will because of your cut and paste presentation of totally irrelevant items in a rude and condescending manner. Your version of christianity from the deformed KJV has no basis of authority, no history over 500 years or so, and is just another group doing their own thing. You have yet to show any reason why anyone should perfer your private opinions over the teachings of 2000 year old Catholic Church.

[Budge]

From what Ive seen New Reformation agrees with you folks on 99% of everything.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1078236' date='Sep 28 2006, 06:34 PM']
Why would I follow the Catholic paperwork requirement, who cares what the official doctrines are if millions are being led to the antichrist?

Unlike you who has totally sold out, Im going to tell these Catholics the truth.
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I'd like to pose a situation to you. Let's say that you are a follower of St. Paul and you see Hymenaeus, claiming to be a Christian and a follower of St. Paul, going around and speaking out against the faith. A younger Christian approaches you and tells you that because you follow St. Paul, you, like Hymenaeus, must believe in falsehoods. You then correct him, claiming that Hymenaeus really isn't a follower of St. Paul or even of Christ, but he refuses to listen to you. He insists that you must be spreading heresy as well. You go to show him a scroll you happen to be carrying from St. Paul to one of the Churches, a letter which clearly shows that you are following St. Paul. The young man says to you, "who cares? Why should I pay any attention to what St. Paul has to say, when you Paulines are against Christ?" Yet, there you are, a true believer following Christ, and your life conforms to the things written in St. Paul's letter...the very letter you carry. Now, one of two things happens:

1. The young man accepts the letter from St. Paul as authentic and says that you are not following it (even though it's clear that you are) because you're one of those St. Paul followers.

2. The young man rejects the letter's authenticity, citing your failure to follow it.

If he does the first, then he is being quite illogical. He's accepting the letter, he's accepting St. Paul, but he's rejecting all who claim to follow St. Paul because not all of them really are...he's even rejecting those who he can clearly see are following St. Paul. Well, that's really just assuming that one person is guilty by virtue of association with another person, while upholding the means of that association as a good thing in and of itself.

If he does the second, then he is effectively saying that if St. Paul's words aren't being followed, then they must not be true. That, of course, isn't logical, because we know for certain that St. Paul wasn't always followed by those who claimed to follow him.

You are doing the same thing with the Church's teachings. We are here. We have faith and we have doctrines. You see from our prayer, from our charity, from our patience with you, etc. that this is good fruit. Yet, because we have these doctrines, you reject us and the doctrines themselves. The reason for that? You say that the fruit of some others who claim to follow those doctrines is bad. Well, that's true. However, there is a huge difference between claiming to follow something and actually following it.

This goes to the root of the problem. In a debate, you should give the opponent the benefit of the doubt when they state what they believe. You can't tell another person what they believe. You, however, do that all the time. You say that we believe something that is wrong, we clarify so that you should know that we don't believe that, and then you continue as before, saying that we believe it. In short, you are dishonest.