N/A Gone Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Dear smart catholic bible readers.. I am in a hebrews class. Now, in the class I need to pick a section (just a few verses) and do a 10-12 page paper on its implications and meaning. Now, as the token catholic kid in class, and in a continuous debate with the professor. What section do you feel I should do? Is there a specific part of Hebrews that is essential in explaining our faith? Some options I think of off the top of my head are Hebrews 7:11-28 In context of the new priesthood Hebrews 9:14 jesus offering himself "without blesmish" refers to the unblemisjhed lamb in Exodus 12:5 which had to be consumed. Hebrews 9:23-in this verse, the author writes that the Old Testament sacrifices were only copies of the heavenly things, but now heaven has better “sacrifices” than these. Why is the heavenly sacrifice called “sacrifices,” in the plural? Jesus died once. This is because, while Christ’s sacrifice is transcendent in heaven, it touches down on earth and is sacramentally re-presented over and over again from the rising of the sun to its setting around the world by the priests of Christ’s Church. This is because all moments to God are present in their immediacy, and when we offer the memorial sacrifice to God, we ask God to make the sacrifice that is eternally present to Him also present to us. Jesus’ sacrifice also transcends time and space because it was the sacrifice of God Himself. the Eucharistic sacrifice also fulfills Jer. 33:18 that His kingdom will consist of a sacrificial priesthood forever, and fulfills Zech. 9:15 that the sons of Zion shall drink blood like wine and be saved. the Eucharistic sacrifice also fulfills Jer. 33:18 that His kingdom will consist of a sacrificial priesthood forever, and fulfills Zech. 9:15 that the sons of Zion shall drink blood like wine and be saved. Heb. 13:10,15 - this earthly altar is used in the Mass to offer the Eucharistic sacrifice of praise to God through our eternal Priest, Jesus Christ. Heb. 2:17; 3:1; 4:14; 8:1; 9:11,25; 10:19,22 - Jesus is repeatedly described as "High Priest." But in order to be a priest, “it is necessary for [Jesus] to have something to offer.” Heb. 8:3. This is the offering of the eternal sacrifice of His body and blood to the Father. Heb. 2:18 - although His suffering is past tense, His expiation of our sins is present tense because His offering is continual. Therefore, He is able (present tense) to help those who are tempted. Heb. 5:6,10; 6:20; 7:15,17 - these verses show that Jesus restores the father-son priesthood after Melchizedek. Jesus is the new priest and King of Jerusalem and feeds the new children of Abraham with His body and blood. This means that His eternal sacrifice is offered in the same manner as the bread and wine offered by Melchizedek in Gen. 14:18. But the bread and wine that Jesus offers is different, just as the Passover Lamb of the New Covenant is different. The bread and wine become His body and blood by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit. Heb. 4:3 – God’s works were finished from the foundation of the world. This means that God’s works, including Christ’s sacrifice (the single act that secured the redemption of our souls and bodies), are forever present in eternity. Jesus’ suffering is over and done with (because suffering was earthly and temporal), but His sacrifice is eternal, because His priesthood is eternal (His victimized state was only temporal). Heb. 4:14 – Jesus the Sacrifice passes through the heavens by the glory cloud of God, just like the sacrifices of Solomon were taken up into heaven by the glory cloud of God in 2 Chron. 7:1. See also Mark 16:19; Luke 24:51; and Acts 1:10. Heb. 7:24 – Jesus holds His priesthood is forever because He continues forever, so His sacrificial offering is forever. He continues to offer His body and blood to us because He is forever our High Priest. Heb. 8:2 - Jesus is a minister in the sanctuary offering up (present tense) His eternal sacrifice to the Father which is perfected in heaven. This is the same sanctuary that we enter with confidence by the blood of Jesus as written in Heb. 10:19. See also Heb. 12:22-24. Heb. 8:3 - as High Priest, it is necessary for Jesus to have something to offer. What is Jesus offering in heaven? As eternal Priest, He offers the eternal sacrifice of His body and blood. Heb. 8:6; 9:15; cf. Heb. 12:22-24; 13:20-21 - the covenant Jesus mediates (present tense) is better than the Old covenant. The covenant He mediates is the covenant of His body and blood which He offers in the Eucharist. See Matt. 26:26-28; Mark. 14:22,24; Luke 22;19-20; 1 Cor. 11:24-25 - which is the only time Jesus uses the word “covenant” (which is the offering of His body and blood). Heb. 9:12 – Jesus enters into heaven, the Holy Place, taking His own blood. How can this be? He wasn’t bleeding after the resurrection. This is because He enters into the heavenly sanctuary to mediate the covenant of His body and blood by eternally offering it to the Father. This offering is made present to us in the same manner as Melchizedek’s offering, under the appearance of bread and wine. Heb. 9:14 - the blood of Christ offered in heaven purifies (present tense) our consciences from dead works to serve the living God. Christ's offering is ongoing. Heb. 9:22 – blood is indeed required for the remission of sin. Jesus' blood was shed once, but it is continually offered to the Father. This is why Jesus takes His blood, which was shed once and for all, into heaven. Heb. 9:12. Heb. 9:23 – Jesus’ sacrifice, which is presented eternally to the Father in heaven, is described as “sacrifices” (in the plural) in the context of its re-presentation on earth (the author first writes about the earthly sacrifices of animals, and then the earthly offerings of Jesus Christ’s eternal sacrifice). Heb. 9:26 – Jesus’ once and for all appearance into heaven to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself shows that Jesus’ presence in heaven and His sacrifice are inseparable. This also shows that “once for all,” which refers to Jesus’ appearance in heaven, means perpetual (it does not, and cannot mean, “over and done with” because Jesus is in heaven for eternity). “Once for all” also refers to Jesus’ suffering and death (Heb. 7:27; 9:12,26;10:10-14). But “once for all” never refers to Jesus’ sacrifice, which is eternally presented to the Father. This sacrifice is the Mal. 1:11 pure offering made present in every place from the rising of the sun to its setting in the Eucharist offered in the same manner as the Melchizedek offering. Heb. 10:19 - we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus on earth in the Eucharistic liturgy, which is the heavenly sanctuary where Jesus’ offering is presented to God in Heb. 8:2. Heb. 10:22 - our hearts and bodies are (not were) washed clean by the action of Jesus' perpetual priesthood in heaven. Heb. 13:10 – the author writes that we have an altar from which those who serve the tent have no right to eat. This altar is the heavenly altar at which Jesus presides as Priest before the Father, eternally offering His body and blood on our behalf. See. Mal. 1:7,12; Lev. 24:7; Ez. 41:22; 44:16; Rev. 5:6; 6:9; 9:13; 11:1; 16:7. Heb. 13:20-21 - Jesus died once, but His blood of the eternal covenant is eternally offered to equip us (present tense) with everything good that we may do God's will. Heb. 13:8 - this is because Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. While His suffering was temporal (because bodily pain is temporal), Jesus and His sacrifice are eternal (because redemption, salvation, and the mediation of the New covenant are eternal). Heb. 13:15 – the letter concludes with an instruction to continually offer up, through Christ, a sacrifice of praise to God. The phrase “sacrifice of praise” refers to the “toda” animal sacrifices that had to be consumed. See, for example, Lev. 7:12-15; 22:29-30. Hebrews 10:22 speaks of baptism as more than a symbol. Hebrews 10:25,29-these verses allude to the reality that failing to meet together to celebrate the eucharist is a mortal sin. It is profaning the body and blood of the lord. Hebrews 12:22-23, The Eucharistic liturgy brings about full union with angels in festal gathering, the just spirits, and God himself, which takes place in the assembly. Hebrews 12:24-We couldnt come to Jesus' sprinkled blood if it were no longer offered by Jesus to the father and made present for us. Hebrews 11:37, the author relies on the oral tradition of the martyrs being sawed in two hebrews 12:9 in the context of spiritual discipline that we have Earthly fathers to discipline us and we should respect them. Hebrews 13:7, 17 Paul charges the members of the Church to remember and obey their leaders; who have authority over their souls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswranch Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Did you miss 10:26? If we sin deliberately... there no longer remains sacrifice for sins. Anyway, as the token Catholic, I dont think you should try to disprove Prots over Cats, but you should strive to make an A. How shocking would it be for the kid in the Protestant bible school to have the best grades? Academic excellence, not apologetics should be your goal here. Figure out the grading standards of the teacher and meet all the requirements for a perfect grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted September 25, 2006 Author Share Posted September 25, 2006 I am the top theology student in the grade (*scary..eh) the teacher likes to be in debates about catholicism. Hebrews 10 with the sacrifice language might be the best bet. We had a huge debate on sin a few days ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 I actually vaguely recall a rather fly elucidation of the sacrificial language in Hebrews by a Protestant scholar. Gosh.. I hope I can remember the source.. Oh, and as you might suspect this scholars exegesis was very much in support of the Catholic understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted September 25, 2006 Author Share Posted September 25, 2006 hook me up...pllleeeeaaassseee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswranch Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 What school/class is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 [quote name='Revprodeji' post='1074493' date='Sep 25 2006, 12:12 AM'] hook me up...pllleeeeaaassseee [/quote] I can't remember the author's name. I've searched google for things that I think might be it but I haven't found it yet. I should have kept my mouth shut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted September 25, 2006 Author Share Posted September 25, 2006 Minnesota Bible college aka Crossroads College Its just a class on the book of hebrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted October 2, 2006 Author Share Posted October 2, 2006 The teacher let me extend it til tommorow..I still cant decide if I wanna work with Heb 7 or Heb 10. If you had a protestant you were debaitng with and you could only use one part of hebrews..what would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 [quote name='Revprodeji' post='1081301' date='Oct 1 2006, 09:34 PM'] The teacher let me extend it til tommorow..I still cant decide if I wanna work with Heb 7 or Heb 10. If you had a protestant you were debaitng with and you could only use one part of hebrews..what would you do? [/quote] If the choice was between Heb 7 and 10 I would find that to be a difficult decision. I'd probably end up doing an exegesis of Heb 10 with the protestant audience in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted October 2, 2006 Author Share Posted October 2, 2006 Now the fun question of 1-25 or the rest..hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 awesome.. class became a faith vs works harassment (*only a debate if I get a word in) on the plus side, I was able to get the Prof to see the practical value of confession in light of the community. but not in anything to do with grace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 this is good for u bro a little purgation by harassment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 I knew you would have the bright side...hehe, I am just trying to remain humble and not go to guns.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 [quote name='Revprodeji' post='1128912' date='Nov 27 2006, 12:46 PM'] awesome.. class became a faith vs works harassment (*only a debate if I get a word in) on the plus side, I was able to get the Prof to see the practical value of confession in light of the community. but not in anything to do with grace [/quote] [hijack]Remember the faith vs. works thread I had earlier? That line of thinking really is the best approach, I think. What needs to be done, if you really want to make your point and get others to agree, is to get them thinking with the same basic principles before bringing in the doctrine itself. Catholic theology is very heavy with the Incarnation and its theological consequences...something the legalism of Protestant theology misses out on. Consequently, Catholicism is much more earthy and "real." It's what George Weigel would call "gritty Catholicism."[/hijack] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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