Saying The Added Part Of The Our Father

[Lil Red]

You know, the "For thine is kingdom, the power and glory, Forever and Ever, Amen". Do you guys say it during the Our Father at Mass? Do you say it in your personal prayers?

sidenote: I think this is the first ever thread I've started in the Debate Table - I'm kinda freaked out about it. Can I handle the pressure? Jokes.

[Sojourner]

We don't say that part at Mass, which took some getting used to when I first started attending.

In my own personal praying, though, I do add it.

[Lil Red]

does anyone know if it's against the rules to say it during Mass?

[cathgirl]

We say it at our Church, but it's after the priest says a short prayer. I add it in on my own every now and then. When I first learned it I wasn't taught to say that so I forget sometimes.

[cmotherofpirl]

It comes after the prayers Father says after the Our Father..

It is not original to the Bible text, but a gloss added by a scribe along the way.

[jasJis]

There was another thread on it not too long ago. After all our research, I think it is a Catholic thing, always has been, kinda fell to disuse, prots picked up on it, do it alot, caths think it's a prot thing and so do prots, but it's not. prots think caths took it away from the bible but it wasn just a cath piety.

Edited January 10, 2004 by jasJis

[cmotherofpirl]

It has always been a prot thing Jas.

Its because of the translations they use.

[Ellenita]

It's not included in the NIV translation I don't think - there is a footnote which says it's in some later manuscripts.

Funny, I was thinking about this earlier today and wondering about the origins of the addition. I have been not saying it as per the instructions of 'how to pray the rosary' (it's a very new thing for me, so I still need the instructions! ) but then went to a funeral yesteday at a United Reform church where it was said and it sounded strange to say!

[foundsheep]

Its apart of our Mass after Father says prayer after Our Father. People here for some reason lift there hands up when they say it.

:loco:

[Ellenita]

People here for some reason lift their hands up when they are saying it.

Wow, in all the protestant denominations I've been involved with, none, but none, lifted their hands up when they were saying it! Of course there were some denominations that lifted their hands up in every other part of the service.......

:lol:

[mulls]

i've never seen it in a prot church.

i thought it was a catholic thing.

[M.SIGGA]

I love it when it is added and sung together. just beautiful.

[photosynthesis]

I don't really have one parish that I go to every week because I don't ever stay in the same place for more than three months.

but in all of the parishes that I've gone to for Mass, the congregation says the Our Father until "but deliver us from evil."

Then, the priest says some stuff...like "deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our days" blah blah blah.

then we say "for the kingdom and the power and the glory are yours, Almighty Father, forever and ever."

and then the priest says some other stuff, like "look not on our sins, but on the faith of your Church as we wait in joyful hope for the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ who lives and reigns with You, forever and ever."

and then everyone says Amen, and we move on.

isn't that how they do it everywhere?

[M.SIGGA]

At my parish it's like this unless it's the noon high mass with the Mass Choir and they sing the whole thing with the added ending and the priest adds that inbetween prayer afterwards before the Sign of Peace. The addition comes from Protestant input at VII because it wasn't there in the Tridentine. I personally like it.

[Aloysius]

it's a Catholic thing. the earliest known place it shows up in is the Didache, and the Didache deals a bunch with liturgy, which is why i like it as part of the liturgy but when prayin by myself i don't add it. i think some eastern churches and some eastern rites of the Catholic Church replace deliver us from evil with it.