Logic Of Man Cannot Be Infallible, Even With God's Help

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

[quote name='Budge' post='1073633' date='Sep 24 2006, 09:40 AM']
This is why Catholicism is so befuddled, running after every other source, including extra-biblical items whenever it can, following the authority of men and manmade traditions.
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Budge, many people have told you what you need to do to prove us wrong.

1) Show us in the Bible where is says that ONLY the bible is profitable for the teachings of faith.
------You can't do it, it doesn't exist. The idea of Sola Scriptura is a MAN MADE TRADITION, with no historical evidence nor connection with the magesterium of the Church. You follow the Traditions of Luther, I follow the traditions of God.

2) Where does it say that only certain translations are appropriate for the above (I have never heard you say it, but I get the impression that you think that only KJV is accurte ) Again you won't find any such scripture, and in fact even the Jews did not have a problem with translations in 4th Century B.B. when they translated the Old Testament into Greek.

[Budge]

[quote]Show us in the Bible where is says that ONLY the bible is profitable for the teachings of faith.[/quote]

In the very last commandment in the Bible God tells us not to add to nor take away from His Word.

[quote] "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book:[size=4] If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life,[/size] and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book"
-Revelation 22:18-19[/quote]

People often attempt to give human traditions higher authority than God's Word. This was true of the Jews of Jesus' day. The Catholics here who claim their Magisterium has an equal or higher authority then Gods Word, are wrong. In refuting the errors of the Sadducees, the Scripture records the Lord saying, [size=4]"Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God" (Matthew 22:29). [/size]

[Fides_et_Ratio]

"this book" = "the book of Revelation"

Revelation wasn't written under the pretense that it would be the last of the books of Christian Scripture. That was another 200+ years away.

[Budge]

[quote]Revelation wasn't written under the pretense that it would be the last of the books of Christian Scripture. [/quote]

Youre kidding right?
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Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.[/size]

The Word of God makes it clear that Revelation was to be taught in the churches.

[Winchester]

Where's my only?

[Winchester]

Where's my only?

I'm not letting this go.

Where's it say that only the Bible is to be used?

[mariahLVzJP2]

[quote name='Budge' post='1073962' date='Sep 24 2006, 05:29 PM']
In the very last commandment in the Bible God tells us not to add to nor take away from His Word. [/quote]
um, doesn't the KJV do that??

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

[quote name='Budge' post='1073962' date='Sep 24 2006, 05:29 PM']
In the very last commandment in the Bible God tells us not to add to nor take away from His Word.



People often attempt to give human traditions higher authority than God's Word. This was true of the Jews of Jesus' day. The Catholics here who claim their Magisterium has an equal or higher authority then Gods Word, are wrong. In refuting the errors of the Sadducees, the Scripture records the Lord saying, [size=4]"Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God" (Matthew 22:29). [/size]
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But we do know the scriptures, and the power of God, and if your not supposed to take anything out, nor add to the bible then, why is it ok for you to use a copy of the canon used by Martin Luther which took out seven whole books and part of Daniel?

[Aloysius]

because it didn't have an arbitrary, complex, and hidden mathematical code which would have authenticated it.

can you get like...a UPC scanner that can scan pages of books to tell you if God inspired them or not?

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Budge' post='1073962' date='Sep 24 2006, 04:29 PM']
In the very last commandment in the Bible God tells us not to add to nor take away from His Word.



People often attempt to give human traditions higher authority than God's Word. This was true of the Jews of Jesus' day. The Catholics here who claim their Magisterium has an equal or higher authority then Gods Word, are wrong. In refuting the errors of the Sadducees, the Scripture records the Lord saying, [size=4]"Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God" (Matthew 22:29). [/size]
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Don't the Preachers, the tape & CD sellers, the book peddlers all do the same thing? I do have to admit, the $1,800 suit is much more contemporary than the 'frilly' surplice.
A Sadducee is a Sadducee, whether they're dressed in a frilly vestment or expensive suit.
I've asked you specific questions that illuminates your hypocrasy, Budge. The only defense you have is that you have different human opinion of which 'human athority' you want to give creedence to. You've done a good job ripping apart the Catholic human athority. But you and Eutychus have been very hypocritical in an honest evaluation of whatever church leaders, preaching teachers, or humans you both listen too.

Speaking of adding or subtracting from Scripture, you still haven't addressed the challenge of how you elevate the 'King James' human version of Scripture whence entire books and chapters had been removed.

Speak about revisionism by humans. You're just another ridiculous denominationalist with a different set of new "human traditions". You even stumble in the face of clear contraditiction. Read the scripture you highlighted above. You are a fool if you don't recognize scripture AND the power of God. You foolishly deny the power of God via the Holy Spirit in others. You foolishly choose to acknowledge the Holy Spirit only if it aligns with your sole prideful 'personal interpretation'.

Edited September 25, 2006 by Anomaly

[Franimus]

[quote name='Budge' post='1073965' date='Sep 24 2006, 06:37 PM']
Youre kidding right?
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Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.[/size]

The Word of God makes it clear that Revelation was to be taught in the churches.
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That didn't answer the question. We agree that Revelation is to be taught in the churches

[cmotherofpirl]

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Nice Scripture quote Budge, but this is referring to the Old Testament exclusively, because this letter is written before the New Testament existed.

[Winchester]

Budge, where's my only?

[Winchester]

We have seen yet again the onerous and unchristian assertion that God cannot keep men from teaching errors as regards His revelation. Obviously, anyone who believes in the infallibility of the Bible believes in "infallible men," but this most unChristian view persists.

[Winchester]

I am daclaring victory for myself.

Budge has been defeated.