N/A Gone Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Theopolitical Imagination by Cavenaugh.... READ IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted September 19, 2006 Author Share Posted September 19, 2006 [quote name='Don John of Austria' post='1066808' date='Sep 19 2006, 03:46 PM'] Actually most western monarchies protected there subjects freedom at least as well as Democracies have. And frankl I don't find that a "mature" development, rather it is childish and not in a good way. No one is equal, Are people equal in human dignity--- yes --- but that is it. [/quote] By equal, I am refering to just that - all men are created with human dignity and should be treates that way (with regards to slavery and such.) But I'm also refering to an economy and society where class and family would not prevent you from aspiring to a higher education, job, political influence, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 [quote name='Didymus' post='1066898' date='Sep 19 2006, 04:39 PM'] By equal, I am refering to just that - all men are created with human dignity and should be treates that way (with regards to slavery and such.) But I'm also refering to an economy and society where class and family would not prevent you from aspiring to a higher education, job, political influence, etc. [/quote] Feudal Europe had just as much social Mobility as Modern America--- that it dis not is a Myth. Furthermore, Economy has much more to do with the technological issues of the day thn the method of government. The past is filled with mainly low tech farming cultures, one cannot compare the wealth of the average peasent to the wealth of today with out taking that into account. Still they do not compare too badly, in many ways they compare favorably to a modern working class person. And f you think Class and Family don't prevent you from doing things now , you are sadly mistaken. We do not live in a Meritocracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avemaria40 Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I don't want to live in a govn't where one family rules continuously. I like being able to help choose who goes into office. The USA govn't isn't perfect, but it is better than the socialism that Europe seems to be experiencing, or the horrendous dictators of the Middle East and regions of Latin America, Africa, and Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ora et Labora Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 i started a thread like this not to long ago!! cool! peeps keep talking so i can write notes for my american gov't class! hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 I generally believe in as little government as possible, and believe that government should mostly be concentrated locally, rather than centrally. I generally favor a republic that is checked by constitution and checks and balances. Neither the mob-rule of pure democracy nor the tyranny of absolute monarchism are desirable systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 [quote name='Ora et Labora' post='1066983' date='Sep 19 2006, 06:39 PM'] i started a thread like this not to long ago!! cool! peeps keep talking so i can write notes for my american gov't class! hehe [/quote] yeah, I was interested in all of this because we've been talkin' about it in my Am Gov class too. Good times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavenseeker Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 the bestform is what ever works... i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benedictaj Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1066365' date='Sep 19 2006, 03:09 PM'] I think democracy COULD work. But I don't believe so in a non-Catholic nation. I myself am a monarchist, but again in a non-Catholic nation it has it's downfalls. Well I guess for me all forms of government fail in a non-Catholic nation :. But I believe monarchy is the best form of leadership. Not sure if I'll have time to debate it or not though. We'll see. But at this time I am strongly anti-democracy (and anti-socialist for that matter) and also very strongly anti-capitalism which I think goes hand-in-hand with democracy. [/quote] I totally agree with you! (and your later posts too.) I also agree with one of Aloysius' earlier posts. In the Old Testament, when the Israelistes wanted some form of control that was run by them, not purely by God - He gave them kings! I say bring back the Catholic monarchy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1066447' date='Sep 18 2006, 10:33 PM'] I believe the world and the people have "grown up", the people are not stupid, the people do not need one king for life and then his children to run our lifes however nice and undictator like he or she maybe. [/quote] So the people were childish and stupid before America came along and "set them free"? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanctitasDeo Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 (edited) I hope that this quote is speaking of goldchild17's ideal government, and not the current state of things. I could not condone this. quoting goldenchild17: [quote] I believe that freedom of religion, when speaking of a non-Catholic religion, is restricted to a personal private practice. I don't believe freedom of religion in the terms of Church teaching extends to public practice, which would include it's affect on the political process. So while I think it permissable for a non-Catholic to hold their belief (who can force one to believe something other than what they do?) I don't believe it permissable for them to let their faith affect public matters. [/quote] So because I am not Catholic, I can only believe what I believe privately and not mention it in any public forum whatsoever? A non-Catholic cannot let their faith affect public matters? So we have a sort of established Catholic religion--at least in the sense of what people are allowed to talk about--and then some other religions swept into the corner, hidden away. That sounds like certain middle-eastern countries right now, where Muslims practice their religion openly, and Christians only in secret, if at all. If our government made that law, I would have to join a rebellion. [quote]I don't believe it permissable for them to let their faith affect public matters.[/quote] Also, this in particular has never made sense to me. I can see how a politician can avoid preaching his religion and so on, but to say that he should never let it affect public matters is to misunderstand the nature of religion. If whatever religion you belong to is true enough for you to belong to it, if you seriously believe it, even over all the other religions out there, I cannot see how you would stop your religion from affecting public matters. Every decision you would make would in some way be informed by your religion. And to say that a Catholic can let his religion affect public policy, but not any other person is just ridiculous. [edited to add a negative] Edited December 21, 2006 by SanctitasDeo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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