Ryan Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 What i meant in the other thread is that the idea of a God is extremely stupid and is just the inability of man to face the fact that we're alone in the universe not created or controlled by a "God". It is extremely cowardly to believe in a "God" because you can't face the facts. And instead of changing things just saying "If God wills it, blablabla...." That's all You're welcome to argue, sooner or later you'll come to the same conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 (edited) It is extremely cowardly to believe in a "God" because you can't face the facts. And instead of changing things just saying "If God wills it, blablabla...." Apply logic. IF there really IS no God, we have wasted time and effort. IF there IS, you are in a heck of a lot of trouble. World class, huge, neverending mistake.... Our way is safer. AND living life according to Biblical principals makes for a happy home, less strife, and contentment. All around, the SAFE bet. Edited January 9, 2004 by Bruce S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Apply logic. IF there really IS no God, we have wasted time and effort. IF there IS, you are in a heck of a lot of trouble. World class, huge, neverending mistake.... Our way is safer. AND living life according to Biblical principals makes for a happy home, less strife, and contentment. All around, the SAFE bet. for once, Bruce, I agree with you! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Yep, its a first, I agree with you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetarplayer Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 What i meant in the other thread is that the idea of a God is extremely stupid and is just the inability of man to face the fact that we're alone in the universe not created or controlled by a "God". It is extremely cowardly to believe in a "God" because you can't face the facts. Tell me: How can we face a "fact" that has yet to be proven? -Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Ummm, you agree with Bruce because he is restating Pascal . . . who was a Catholic . . . this is Pascal's wager, sort of. Bravo Bruce, for posting it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Good answer Bruce! :loco: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary's Knight, La Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Ryan, I have to disagree with you. looking at things it seems a far more stupid(you're word) to assume that the hundreds or thousands of things that had to go right for humans to "happen" in the first place were just luck of the draw. Science searches for the reasons in the world (why something happens) well why does matter happen? we know that when it arranges itself certain ways different chemicals happen, well why is it that, that particular pattern makes that things (and i'm not talking about the terms we use i'm talking about the chemical itself i.e. why do 2 atoms of hydrogen and 1 atom of oxygen make a molecule of water?) to say that it just does without questioning the reason seems to me the height of cowardice are you afraid of the answer? see when i talk to most people who deny God is, the reason once they run out of philisophical/pseudo-scientific carp is that they don't want to have to admit that they can't do what they want without consequences. They're afraid of saying "I was wrong please forgive me" to a being that they cannot control. Have you read St. Thomas Aquinas five proofs for why there not only is but must be God? I would suggest you do that as a starting point. now for the fun part i'm going to throw it all in the ring and follow up on what Bruce was saying about our way is safer. If you've read Penses by Blaise Pascal then you already know what i'm talking about. I dare you to be Christian for a year and i mean the full deal weekly Mass (don't receive the Eucharist if you're not Catholic or if you're in mortal sin according to what the church says not what you say) Confession if possible when you sin (you'll have to discuss with a priest the validity of this) daily prayer including the part about "God if You're there show me please", trying not to do anything that is a sin (see above section on confession), and gasp... grace before and after meals. I'm going to make the same bet Mr. Pascal makes that if you sincerely try Christianity out for a full year and I mean with your whole being that before that year is up God will show you the truth about Him. If Pascal and i are right then you've found an eternity of benefits. If we're wrong then it's only a year that you've lost and i'll throw in the side benefit you can ridicule me at will. do i expect you to read my post and suddenly say "oh I've seen the light I'll amend my ways immediately" no. I don't even know if you'll bother reading this as it's sorta long (at least compared to some of my posts) and even if you do experience says you won't bother taking me up on the bet seriously but this is the best i can do. are you brave enough to take the bet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im4Him Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Good Answer, Bruce. I agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blank Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 It is extremely cowardly to believe in a "God" because you can't face the facts I've always thought the "cowards" were those who didn't believe in God. Don't you know how hard it is and how much courage it takes to be holy? I think athiests are just too lazy to apply much thought to what life's about. They take things at surface value without bothering to look into them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 I respect your opinion and everything, but where's your argument? saying that believing in God is "stupid" and "cowardly" is not much of an argument, it's just an opinion, and there are a lot of opinions out there. Give us some reasons for why you think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 You're welcome to argue, sooner or later you'll come to the same conclusion. I agree with the others. And I'd I'd like to point out that you're also TOTALLY wrong with this statement, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 guys.. just ignore him. he is visiting in an attempt to rile you up, not to come back and read responses wondering if he is wrong or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unshackled Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Sorry guys, can't resist this one! The theory of life without a God goes something like this. In the beginning there was nothing and NOTHING went BANG! Out of this nothingness somehow life began. And then with no idea of any logic whatsoever Evolution began! Sorry! Charles Darwin in his own book "Evolution of the Species" Chapter 10 declared that he could not prove his own theory because the fossil evidence that he expected to discover did not exist. All the evidence that man has revealed proves only one possibility - a global flood. No matter what religion you adhere to there is only one possibility and that is that a supreme being created what we understand to be our universe. Beyond my understandind? YES! Possible? Obviously YES! In this topic, despite our differences in doctrine there can only be one response. GOD created the world, he created it out of nothing.(Roman Catholic Cathecism). John 1:1-4(NIV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. We may not agree on all things but on this topic I hope that I have no critics. God bless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippy316 Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 This reminds me of a bumper sticker that I see quite often. It reads: "If you're living like there is no God, you'd better be right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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