The False Religion Of Islam...

[Budge]

I beleive all false religions are, because they lead millions to hell and spriitual bondage.
As a past practioner of a false religion, I definitely can stand up and say yes false religions are evil.

[u]This doesnt mean those in bondage to them are, but they are definitely lost and in need of the gospel.[/u]

I found this comment interesting, I wonder if your Pope is having rethinking things?


One more post before I go...


[quote]For no pope in history has made a deeper study of Islam. Having explored every verse of the Koran, and engaged in long debates with Muslim scholars, [size=4]he rejects the simplistic notion — held by fundamentalist Christians, and by the Roman Catholic Church until the middle of the 20th century — that Islam is evil.[/size] Yet he is convinced that some of its doctrines are morally indefensible.[/quote]

[url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/16/wpope116.xml"]LINK[/url]

A simplistic notion or the truth?

one thing about Islam, like so many other false religions like Mormonism, it was founded by a demon--FALLEN ANGEL, showing up to the would be prophet.

The poor people are in bondage.

Christians know the answer is preaching the gospel to them.

Interreligious dialogue is a failure.

Edited September 17, 2006 by Budge

[Jesuspaidtheprice]

Very good then. However, did you ask yourself these basic questions?

Is "Telegraph.co.uk" committed to telling the truth? Are their stories unbiased and well researched? How do we know that "he rejects the simplistic notion — held by fundamentalist Christians, and by the Roman Catholic Church until the middle of the 20th century — that Islam is evil" is true? Do you have a quote? And if he rejects the religion as "evil" what does he believe about the Islamic religion? Have you the important work which would help you answer that question - mainly "Truth and Tolerance: Christian Belief and World Religions" by the pope where you could get a clear view of what he is speaking about?

Your answer to these questions would be helpful for all of us.

[N/A Gone]

I already posted this....but go to the "killing begins"thread for islam analysis...there is no need for this thread.


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[Eutychus]

[quote] by the Roman Catholic Church until the middle of the 20th century — that Islam is evil" is true? [u]Do you have a quote?[/u] [/quote]

Seriously, are you REALLY that uninformed? Have you read beyond your Diocesan newsletter?

Good grief man, the Catholic Church fielded ARMIES and NAVIES fighting the Muslim hordes. They actually had to fight them off the Italian mainland, off sicily, for 800 years.

And you didn't know that?

You are a product of a seriously deficient history program, wherever you studied.

Like, did you even know that MOST of the nations in the Middle East, that are now Muslim, were FIRST Catholics, forcibly converted at the point of a sword?

[Justified Saint]

So much for those "deeper studies". Let's just call everything evil instead, that is a lot more fun and we don't have to do any of the work!

I think Jesus warns about those people -- like in Matthew 25, ever heard of it?

[Akalyte]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1065050' date='Sep 17 2006, 11:10 AM']
Seriously, are you REALLY that uninformed? Have you read beyond your Diocesan newsletter?

Good grief man, the Catholic Church fielded ARMIES and NAVIES fighting the Muslim hordes. They actually had to fight them off the Italian mainland, off sicily, for 800 years.

And you didn't know that?

You are a product of a seriously deficient history program, wherever you studied.

Like, did you even know that MOST of the nations in the Middle East, that are now Muslim, were FIRST Catholics, forcibly converted at the point of a sword?
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My Priest was talking about that today...

[Budge]

[quote] Let's just call everything evil instead, that is a lot more fun and we don't have to do any of the work! [/quote]

It is evil.

The denial of reality and the denial that Islam is a Satan-led religion is only going to lead more problems.

Your church has chosen human wisdom over God's which says compromise with false religions. Dont upet them by preaching the gospel.

True Christians know that the Muslim people are in bondage and their freedom and TRUE change of their nature and actions lies in JESUS CHRIST.

In fact one reason, your Pope is in this mess, because he has spent too long pleading with them, "dont be violent" instead of realizing the only way they can change is to become new creatures in Christ.

Edited September 17, 2006 by Budge

[Justified Saint]

See how easy it is when everything is evil and you don't have to THINK?

[Budge]

I dont see you THINKING.

I see you repeating PC interfaith paplum over and over even after this event should have proven to any THINKING person that interfaithism is an absolute farce.

I guess when Europe is covered in burning automobiles, and open immigration has turned Europe over to Sharia Law, maybe youll wake up but then it will be too late.

Maybe one day theyll turn the Vatican into a mosque.

[Justified Saint]

You are the one sticking with the 1500 year tradition that Islam is evil. If it ain't broke don't fix it, eh?

Thinking is when you say -- "should we do it the way we have always done it or might there be a better way?"

[Budge]

I already know the better way..

its the way that Jesus Christ taught...

Convert, bring people to the gospel, the only true change in people will come via freedom in Jesus Christ.

Not conquer or kill or go to war for PNAC world "democracy" but bringing the gospel. {there are times when defense is needed}

If the focus in world history had been what Christ commanded, the ME would be Christian.

But Rome follow the way of the world--CRUSADES as it is doing now, weak, Western culture killing PC multiculturalism and interfaithism.

PC interfaithism is bound for failure, it gives them nothing, tells them you already worship god! When really the god they worshipped in their "holy book" tells them to kill infidels.
There is no change forthcoming there. They remain trapped in bondage to false spirits.

I seriously believe if not for the Catholic Church, the entire world would be Christian.

[Justified Saint]

So what does any of that have to with critiquing religious violence?

Are you saying we should kill for religion instead of democracy?

Again, it is a little unsettling the similarities of fundamentalists among different religions.

[Budge]

Who said kill anyone? My message is convert the Muslims not kill them.

liberal PC interfaithism is actually bringing more violence to the world. France got to deal with that last year.

Ive written on several theads on this board, I am against violence and killing people over beliefs. {that includes inquisitions, crusades ad nausem from anyone}

Defense is a different matter.

I know you have to promote a caricature of me to try and win these debates with me, a weak way of seeking to discredit an opponent but you are talking to someone who was even against the war in Iraq and has publically been so on her own message board for years.

Edited September 17, 2006 by Budge

[Justified Saint]

JPII was against the war in Iraq too and Benedict is against religious violence. I guess you guys have a lot more in common then you think.

[Eutychus]

[quote]Are you saying we should kill for religion instead of democracy? [/quote]

Look [mod]namecalling[/mod]. They want YOU dead. If you are so [mod]language[/mod] stupid as to not know that, I suggest you go over to the middle east, and tell them you love them kisses and hugs, as they slit your throat.

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