dabukthumpa Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 I attend daily Novus Ordo Mass - However it is amazing how many differnt ways - and many time how many unexcusable liturgical abuses occur. This is dishearting and makes me very sad. But for the sake of the poll let me keep topic. Attending the Tridentine Mass on Sunday's - the manner in which the Mass is Prayed by all, the music, and the depth of the prayers, and the manner in which we recieve the Blessed Sacrament - I still argue - is much more superior Aesthetically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabukthumpa Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 Any Mass done poorly - and with disobedience hurts the whole Church. Mass no matter what form - is the Most Sacred Act of the Church - it demands respect - and a pius disposition of heart, soul, mind and body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabukthumpa Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 I love the Pope, I adhere to His teachings, and all the Dogmatic Councils (including Vatican II) and every Doctrine of the Catholic Church I have as my authority. Don't get me wrong I am not against any of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Good, so you have your personal opinon and we have ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Any Mass done poorly - and with disobedience hurts the whole Church. Mass no matter what form - is the Most Sacred Act of the Church - it demands respect - and a pius disposition of heart, soul, mind and body. Refering to the Mass as far inferior, etc., hardly demonstrates much respect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Yep, the poll should be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabukthumpa Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 Polor Bear: Yes - strictly speaking, the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrystotom is more ancient than that of the Tridentine (if your speaking of the codified Mass of Pope St. Pius V after Trent). But If your familier with Joseph Jungmann - and the History and Development of the Roman Rite - He would disagree with you - in terms of The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrystotom being more ancient than the Roman Rite itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Yep, the poll should be removed. We don't pit catholic vs catholic here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabukthumpa Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 I am a bit disturbed by some of the short replies, and sarcastic remarks made toward me. As a fellow Catholic Christian - I would expect to be treated with kindness. It is ok for some of us to come to different conclusions - but to almost accuse me of not being in line with the Church - and then to imply that I do not respect the Church's way of prayer. That really hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 I said it was older than the Tridentine rite, not the Roman Rite... I agree with cmom, this should be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabukthumpa Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 Aesthetically - many things can be superior than others. Truth, Beauty and Goodness are objective realities that the Catholic Church has always upheld. For Example there is no question that the Sistine Chapel is far more beautiful than the Popel Paul VI Auditorium. Of even than the Chapel in my own Church. The Chapel here at home and the Sistine Chapel are both that Chapel. But I can make a perfectly good argument that the Sistine Chapel is Aesthetically more beautiful than the Chapel in my Church here at home. The Same can apply for the differnt forms of the Liturgy. I am not argueing against the validity - simpley the beauty of their forms in which they are expressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 I am a bit disturbed by some of the short replies, and sarcastic remarks made toward me. As a fellow Catholic Christian - I would expect to be treated with kindness. It is ok for some of us to come to different conclusions - but to almost accuse me of not being in line with the Church - and then to imply that I do not respect the Church's way of prayer. That really hurts. Get over it. We're not angry with you, we are, however tired of these discussions. In fact, if you had taken the time to read the Phorum guidelines you would have seen that any Traditional vs. Novus Ordo talk is forbidden in this Phorum. We have seen this discussion digress into insane bickering about senseless things. We have seen good catholics and non-catholics scandalized by these Catholic against Catholic disputes. This discussion is akin to me saying: Do you think that the Divine Mercy Chaplet is more aesthetically appealing than the Rosary? And then arguing that the Chaplet is more appealing and more attractive. I could use the same arguments. I've seen people insert all sorts of heresies into the Rosary. I've seen people say "Nature" rosaries and "hootnanny" rosaries. I've seen the rosary used to defend abortion (check out CFFC on that one, they're nuts, granted). All of these discussions do not serve a good end. And, they're silly. The beauty of the Lord's Sacrifice cannot be reduced to aesthetics. The most beautiful part of the mass is the part you CAN'T see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabukthumpa Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 The Tridentine is the Roman Rite. Also - I don't see what the problem is. Why you feel the poll has to be removed, I don't know. Let people vote. It is perfectly ok. I am interested in why most people have voted undecided. I think it is good poll to have on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 De Gustibus non disputatem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marielapin Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 thumpa - please don't be alarmed by the reactions you are getting by asking an asthetic question. The reason you are getting the reactions is because in the past there have been some hot and heavy arguments here started by trads about the invalid nature of the Novus Ordo. I'm sure the folks that have been around here a long time just went into defense mode, that's all. Everyone here that I know of is obedient to the Church, no matter our preferences. And by the way, I've never been to a Tridentine Mass, as I cannot find one locally. But I would love to attend one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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