Denominations Staying Consistent

[SJP]

I do hope you get a chance to read the article.

Anyway, time for bed, I'm not looking forward to early class!!

Have a good night Budge

God Bless!

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Budge' post='1062326' date='Sep 13 2006, 10:28 PM']The problem with human beings is instead of putting trust in God, and letting Him lead you to truth, they want to have a human being give them all their answers.[/quote]True, that. Humans want to be talked to in a human way. That's the reason why God came to earth as a human, had human prophets, used human 'apostles'...

It would be much easier with Angels working as the Church structure.

[Eutychus]

I'm not Protestant either.

What Catholics simply cannot "get" is that the daughter churches of Mystery Babylon { the original reform churches } are dwindling into inconsequential nothingness in the United States.

For example, fourty years ago, the Presbyterian Church USA had 4.5 million members when the Catholic Church here had 30 million. Today they are approaching 2 million, while immigration and fecund factors have raised the Catholic Church { on paper, no one believes this } to 60 million or more. The same can be shown about the Lutherans, Methodists, and other reform era spawned churches.

Essentially ALL of the massive growth in non liturgical/sacramental churches is in the Pentecostal and Independent streams and that holds true for most of the world today. Essentially all of them have pretty much the same understanding of the basics, all practice believers baptism, they are not cessationist, they are not replacement proponents, and most are premillenialists.

However, as one moves around the Roman Catholic boards and blogs, you would think that Calvin, Luther, Zwingili are alive and still pertinent to today's situation. I daresay that if yoiu were to poll the average churchmember today, they might know a few facts on those top leaders of the Reformation, but not much more than that. For, you see, we don't look dead theologians to confirm what the bible says, we are quite capable of reading God's words for ourselves, and we strive to do so, and implore the HS to guide us and assist us in that task.

But try and get a Catholic to even understand the dynamics of the American church scene? Forgettaboutit. They are in the time warp that is 400 years out of date.

Best.

[OLAM Dad]

Your numbers are unsupported, your comments, e.g. 'no one believes this', are even less so. Regardless, what's your point? That growth = truth? In that case, the fastest growing religion in America, paganism, must be where you are headed next?

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1062113' date='Sep 13 2006, 05:48 PM']
So how do you know this 'denom' is righter than any others and won't be in the same boat 15 years from now?[/quote]Budge and Euty,
You haven't answered this question at all. How do you know that your chosen denom isn't going to stray like all the others?

[SJP]

This is getting interesting

In the "Do Budge and Eutychus agree on Theology" thread,

Euthychus stated:

"[b]it has been my personal experience { I get around for various time and project reasons } that 90% agreement is the norm for most normal Christians[/b]. Where we tend to disagree is on the non-essentials, like eschatological timings, spiritual gifts, and the like, on the biggies the differences are almost inconsequential"

Now in this thread Eutychus states:

"Essentially ALL of the massive growth in non liturgical/sacramental churches is in the [b]Pentecostal and Independent streams [/b] and that holds true for most of the world today. [b]Essentially all of them have pretty much the same understanding of the basics[/b], all practice believers baptism, they are not cessationist, they are not replacement proponents, and most are premillenialists."

Well this is most interesting!

Eutychus,
At this point I'm led to assume that by "normal Christians" you really mean "Pentecostal Christians"

So you concur that there is not an agreement on "essentials" between most Christian denominations (as evidenced by the article above) yet you escape that fact by saying basically that "we Pentecostals agree on essentials"

The catch is that you provide [b]no evidence[/b] to demonstrate that the Pentecostal interpretation of scripture is the correct one. Instead you cite the growth of your church as if that is some how evidence for it being a "True Church".

The fact that mainline Protestant churches have declining attendance does not prove that their interpretation of scripture is incorrect!

You, just like countless other Christian denominations rely on the Bible as your sole source of authority.

The fact remains the same, without an authority beyond scripture there is no way to know who is correct about scripture.

off to school,
God Bless.

[Budge]

[quote]
The fact that mainline Protestant churches have declining attendance does not prove that their interpretation of scripture is incorrect![/quote]

1. Mainline churches are infested with interfaithism and liberalism, around here the United Methodists and Presbyterians worship the goddess....

2. Mainliners have departed from Gods Word, and thusly have lost the Holy Spirit.

3. Mainliners have made the mistake of following men over God.

4. Egghead theology, where vain philosophies, traditions and ECFs as well, took root over the teaching and commandments and Word of God.

5. the MAJORITY of mainliners have joined hands with Rome.

[Mary-Kathryn]

[quote name='Budge' post='1062339' date='Sep 14 2006, 12:38 AM']
Im not a Protestant...


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Catholic? :

Hey, I can always hope and pray for you to come home can't I?

Mary-Kathryn

[Eutychus]

[quote]Hey, I can always hope and pray for you to come home can't I?

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I believed Peter in 2 Peter 2:22