cathoholic_anonymous Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Everywhere seemed perfectly safe, and we travelled all over the Holy Land. The most tedious and dangerous places for me were checkpoints, as the Israeli soldiers insisted on putting me through an inquisition because of the Saudi visas in my passport. They asked such racist questions as well. Apart from that, it was fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emile James Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 [quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1161874' date='Jan 11 2007, 04:29 PM'] Oh wow. Is is safe there in Galilee? I'm pretty sure the Srs of Bethlehem don't have anything built yet, just plans. The best way to find out more about this foundation is to contact the Mother Prioress of the order at Bet Gemal, Israel. [img]http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2032/fliesaintmarie100tm8.jpg[/img] Sr. Isabelle Prioress of the Monastic Family of Bethlehem She's very nice and speaks English very well. She took the time to speak to each retreatant at the Evangelical Month at Les Montsvoirons. [/quote] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glory to Jesus Christ.. i managed to squish this file down to 1/4 of its original to fit on Youtube peace and goodness... [b]Monastic Community of Bethlehem, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary,and St Bruno." [/b] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk[/url] a meditation with sound... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChild Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Thank you Emile, that was a lovely video. I enjoyed it very much. I'd love to 'see' the US community. . .but this was a great intro to their life. They are Roman Rite, yes? I heard they were a mix of east and west. What are your thoughts/experiences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emile James Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 (edited) [quote name='HisChild' post='1163625' date='Jan 13 2007, 10:03 AM'] Thank you Emile, that was a lovely video. I enjoyed it very much. I'd love to 'see' the US community. . .but this was a great intro to their life. They are Roman Rite, yes? I heard they were a mix of east and west. What are your thoughts/experiences? [/quote] Glory to Jesus Christ! Thank-you, it as a challenge doing on this borrowed computer.learning as i go..not being around computers the last 4 years!! If you want to see the USA Community, unfortunately the person who had pictures on line has been taken off. It is possible the Community does not like media promtions.mine may not stay on long either. yOu can always write the Sisters in the USA, and ask for a booklet about them, it has good detail and pictures... They are a Roman Catholic Community , Pontifical Right.. The Holy mass is Roman , but a variation of the Carthusian Rite.(Monastic, simple silent, though in the vernacular) St. Brunos model being the Egyptian Desert Fathers and palestinian Lauras, as understood at the time.. as far as Eastern, there Divine Office is a truncated version of the Byzantine Church Office..while in the past much more of the Slav Tradition, i notice it has become more of the direct Greek Byzantine Tradition of The Holy Hours and style. since they are more involved now in the Holy Land and Egypt. ....use and veneration of Icons and the 'Jesus Prayer or 'Prayer of the Heart' with a chotki, while not at all exclusive to the East..is a large part of the Communities Spiritual life. peace and goodness...........E-J Edited January 13, 2007 by Emile James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiquitunga Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 (edited) Thanks Cathoholic Anonymous, for the info. on safety in Galilee! [quote name='Emile James' post='1163610' date='Jan 13 2007, 11:43 AM'] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glory to Jesus Christ.. i managed to squish this file down to 1/4 of its original to fit on Youtube peace and goodness... [b]Monastic Community of Bethlehem, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary,and St Bruno." [/b] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk[/url] a meditation with sound... [/quote] Hey, thanks for this great little presentation of the Monastic Family of Bethlehem! Did you make this yourself? It's beautiful, and with the sisters and then the monks singing .. Yeah, they always sing that particular verion of Salve Regina after Vespers. Thanks! We have a pretty good thread here of info on this order. I don't think you can go anywhere else online and find more than we've got here. : Edited January 14, 2007 by Margaret Clare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiquitunga Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 I'm copying and pasting a few things from a post of Emile James on the Carthusian nuns thread here. I was asking about whether the Carthusians have Papal Enclosure or not .. [quote]Glory to Jesus Christ! . well, as i understand it ,Papal Enclosure, is only for womens Communities. Trying to translate the fantastic Italian site on the Nuns, it doesn't seem they are officially Papal Enclosure, yet being a Papal order(as opposed to diocesan),they have strict enclosure due to the constitutions.[/quote] This is how Bethlehem is - not Papal Enclosure, but a strict enclosure according to the Constitutions. When I was asking the sister at LM last time I was there about this, she was saying how they are a Papal Order, and I didn't really understand how this effected enclosure - but I see Emile James commenting here on on what a Papal Order is, as opposed to diocesan - so it seems this makes Constitutional Enclosure even stricter. So the Srs of Bethlehem really have the same type of enclosure as the Carthusian Nuns. Only I think the individual monasteris of the Carthusian Nuns are more autonomous. I read that somewhere, that that was one of the changes the order experienced after VII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiquitunga Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 (edited) Then I was asking about coffee .. [quote]coffee...i would be very surprised if the Carthusians did not allow coffee etc, . esp. in Italy. again its not so much allowance per rules..as a desire to have a well balanced healthy /pure /body, mind, spirit While knowing the Bethlehem Community is more flexible in each persons personal spiritual growth, i know that while in Italy, the brothers kept me supplied with Italian coffee, without me ever asking, i mean, hey, its italy, and men...no coffee? unthinkable The French arent so into coffee, and the Community of Bethlehem in General (in fact most every French Monstic community i know) is really into homeopathy and naturapathy, which i do find odd since, because this is in most French culture, we dont have this as normal. all the pharmacies in France have a homeopathy/naturapathy section, and normal MD s prescribe those litte bits of arsenic wrapped up in a sugar ball..smile.gif The French Community does see caffiene and alcohol as excitents and not helpful to a balanced mind/body/spirit for contemplation...i, with my one morning cup..tend to agree.[/quote] At Livingston Manor, the sisters told me they do not have any caffeinated drinks - only herbal tea - but they provide coffee and regular tea for guests of course. That's interesting about the French and natural medicine, and how they're not into coffee much. Yeah, the Mother at the Community of St. John in Peoria, IL, from France, told me they don't drink coffee because it's not good for you. Of course, everything in moderation. Yeah, I don't drink too much myself, one cup is all I need in the morning, or pepsi/coke. But I do find that one cup essential for waking up. Otherwise, I'm sleepy in prayer. I bet the Italian Sisters and Brothers of Bethlehem may be allowed to drink some coffee. They are so accustomed to lots of caffeine over there. Their coffee in those little cups is super strong! I drank 1/4 of one of those little cups, and I couldn't sleep that night! not exaggerating .. I once knew this Italian Franciscan priest that drank like 5 of those a day, and even pretty close to the evening, and he still could sleep! Once someone, non-Italian, was joking with me that that's why Italians are so energetic - if that's the right word to describe it ... no insult to the Italians of course. I love Italians, and they have so many saints!! Edited January 14, 2007 by Margaret Clare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emile James Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1163890' date='Jan 13 2007, 05:56 PM'] Then I was asking about coffee .. At Livingston Manor, the sisters told me they do not have any caffeinated drinks - only herbal tea - but they provide coffee and regular tea for guests of course. That's interesting about the French and natural medicine, and how they're not into coffee much. Yeah, the Mother at the Community of St. John in Peoria, IL, from France, told me they don't drink coffee because it's not good for you. Of course, everything in moderation. Yeah, I don't drink too much myself, one cup is all I need in the morning, or pepsi/coke. But I do find that one cup essential for waking up. Otherwise, I'm sleepy in prayer. I bet the Italian Sisters and Brothers of Bethlehem may be allowed to drink some coffee. They are so accustomed to lots of caffeine over there. Their coffee in those little cups is super strong! I drank 1/4 of one of those little cups, and I couldn't sleep that night! not exaggerating .. I once knew this Italian Franciscan priest that drank like 5 of those a day, and even pretty close to the evening, and he still could sleep! Once someone, non-Italian, was joking with me that that's why Italians are so energetic - if that's the right word to describe it ... no insult to the Italians of course. I love Italians, and they have so many saints!! [/quote] wow a Monastic-coffee thread! from much personal experience -the brothers of St John definetly drink coffee, they need it more than the Sisters!!!..except of course at a HUGE place like St Jodard..again, depends on what country youre in..one will find some communities worldwide who still keep allot of little ideas and cultural traditions form there founding place, like Bethlehem Communities , and the French, tend to do....others take on more of a surrounding culture within the local community.. yet, begging, calling down the Holy Spirit in the morning on your face...gotta be better than coffee?? and when i worked with the Benedictines in Italy, it was coffee/wine/coffee/wine... Edited January 14, 2007 by Emile James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiquitunga Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 [quote name='Emile James' post='1163610' date='Jan 13 2007, 11:43 AM'] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glory to Jesus Christ.. i managed to squish this file down to 1/4 of its original to fit on Youtube peace and goodness... [b]Monastic Community of Bethlehem, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary,and St Bruno." [/b] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeaKEsFlGAk[/url] a meditation with sound... [/quote] I see they have the Hermits of Bethlehem of the Heart of Jesus ( in Chester, NJ) EWTN program on youtube also, in 3 parts. Search "Hermits of Bethlehem" I haven't seen it yet, but will. :j Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChild Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 I've seen all 3 of the youtube videos and have just ordered the book that the founding father, Fr Romano, wrote about the desert spirituality. I'll let you know what the book's like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emile James Posted January 15, 2007 Share Posted January 15, 2007 a relevant link(s) [url="http://www.monachos.net/library/The_Jesus_Prayer_-_The_Prayer_of_the_Heart"]http://www.monachos.net/library/The_Jesus_...er_of_the_Heart[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJames Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 ADDRESS OF JOHN PAUL II TO THE COMMUNITIES OF BETHLEHEM, THE ASSUMPTION AND ST BRUNO Saturday, 14 March 1998 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/1998/march/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19980314_monaci-bethleem_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_pau...ethleem_en.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJames Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 this video is switched over now to google. [url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6890761969171061412&hl=en"]Monastic Sisters and Brothers of Bethlehem Video[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SisterAli Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Incredible, that's about all I can say. Wow...the video was amazing. Do you know where in the USA they are located???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJames Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 [quote name='SisterAli' post='1196001' date='Feb 15 2007, 10:48 AM'] Incredible, that's about all I can say. Wow...the video was amazing. Do you know where in the USA they are located???? [/quote] actually yes, if you scroll down at this link, youll see adress [url="http://ejvideo-place.blogspot.com/2007/02/monastic-community-of-bethlehem.html"]http://ejvideo-place.blogspot.com/2007/02/...-bethlehem.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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