Catholic Cardinal:we Need Buddha's Teachings More And More!

[Budge]

Following the interfaith theme this week..
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The cardinal observed that although Buddha bestowed universal compassion and goodwill on people, to this day conflict, hate, hostility and many kinds of discrimination are prevalent in the world. [u]"That is why we need Buddha's teaching more and more. We believe that we can solve the problems by following Buddha's compassion and practicing love, which is the fundamental teaching of all religions,"[/u] he said.[/size]

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[img]http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/images/shakyamuni_buddha_thanka.jpg[/img]

Edited September 7, 2006 by Budge

[Winchester]

Weeds among the wheat.

Are you aware of the many Catholics using Catholic theology to refute the many stupid and immoderate things spoken by Catholic clergy?

I think you're not. I think you've no idea of the difference between invalid religion and bad decisions by clergy.

Catholics are aware of the bad or stupid people within the Church. It has no bearing on Dogma. Jesus did not reject Jewish faith because of the Pharisee's actions. He rejected their actions.

[Budge]

You are using the insipid paperwork defense.

As I said before Satan isnt going to care about what the official paperwork has on the books...as millions follow him to hell.

Instead of agreeing with me, that this Cardinal is wrong to praise Buddhas teachings, you endeavor to make endless excuses for the WEEDs.

If you truly believed this was wrong, you would be outraged by it, instead of trying to play off, its just a few sinners in the church gambit.

This was a CARDINAL, not just some average Joe in the pew, and if they are this confused, what hope for the laity?

Not much judging by the praise for other religions that exsists on this board.

[Winchester]

I made no excuses.

Where did you see excuses?

I pretty much called the Cardinal's remarks (as presented here) as stupid and immoderate.

They are only men. It doesn't matter if the Pope himself is confused. I have something called faith, and I have faith that Christ will not permit the changing of doctrine. I notice that He didn't strike Arius down, so apparently He's not in the business of killing heresiarchs.

[Budge]

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They are only men. It doesn't matter if the Pope himself is confused. I have something called faith, and I have faith that Christ will not permit the changing of doctrine. I notice that He didn't strike Arius down, so apparently He's not in the business of killing heresiarchs.[/quote]

As I said before, when millions embrace the antichrist and his universalist religion whether its official doctrine or not is not going to matter.

What are you doing to stem the tide to apostasty but complaining about a poster that actually MAKES A STAND against this NONSENSE.

Thats a teaching direct from Satan by the way to follow men you KNOW are heretics and apostates.

Jesus said to judge by the fruits. That is a rotten, worm-filled fruit.

[Fides_et_Ratio]

Do you have a running list of the "fruits" of the Catholic Church? I'd like to see it. Perhaps we could help you assemble one to judge more fairly?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Budge' post='1058173' date='Sep 6 2006, 09:34 PM']
As I said before, when millions embrace the antichrist and his universalist religion whether its official doctrine or not is not going to matter.

What are you doing to stem the tide to apostasty but complaining about a poster that actually MAKES A STAND against this NONSENSE.

Thats a teaching direct from Satan by the way to follow men you KNOW are heretics and apostates.

Jesus said to judge by the fruits. That is a rotten, worm-filled fruit.
[/quote]

Again, Jesus Himself did not tell the Jews to cease being Jewish, in spite of the Pharisees.

I'm not following the men, I'm following the Church. Didn't I just say something to that effect?

I believe the Church is holding the line on numerous modern evils...

Those must be vegetables, not fruits.
Silly me.

[Farsight one]

[quote name='Budge' post='1058173' date='Sep 6 2006, 09:34 PM']
As I said before, when millions embrace the antichrist and his universalist religion whether its official doctrine or not is not going to matter.

What are you doing to stem the tide to apostasty but complaining about a poster that actually MAKES A STAND against this NONSENSE.

Thats a teaching direct from Satan by the way to follow men you KNOW are heretics and apostates.

Jesus said to judge by the fruits. That is a rotten, worm-filled fruit.
[/quote]You want to judge by the fruits? How many people who could not afford a home of their own has your religion given a place to live to? How many members of your faith has built a wheelchair ramp for a parapalegic? How many families in your church life of $12,000 a year just so that they can donate the rest to helping the homeless? Even if the Catholic church is misguided, our fruits are many and very tasty.

And once again, you have assumed that your interpretation of the meaning of what the cardinal said were exactly what he meant them to mean. A Buddhist philosophy involves forgiveness for transgressions. And to refrain from killing, lying, stealing, and promiscuity. To be kind to others in all things, and turn the other cheek.

All of these things are common rules for any christian religion. Perhaps the cardinal was refering to that? You have so much hate in you that it blinds you to the fact that there are more possibilities than the one that first pops into your head.

[rkwright]

Budge do you disagree with the message? Can you solve problems by following Buddha's message of compassion and practicing love, which is the fundamental teaching of all religions?

Truth is truth no matter where it comes from. By practicing compassion and love, which would be following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ, Buddah, Ghandi, St Paul, the fundamental teaching of all religions, we can rid the world of violence and hate.

You don't agree with that? You would rather see us kill these infidels? Of course if we spoke out and said we should strike them down for this, there would be a thread on the inquisition and crusades...

I guess were just screwed; we can't work for world peace because then we're going to hell, and we can't try to dominate the world by crusades because then we're corrupt and going to hell.

[goldenchild17]

All this talk of fruit and... I just had to....

Off topic I know. So sue me. It's not like I'm going to be competing for a top poster position anytime soon :

[Justified Saint]

Kudos to the cardinal. Last time I checked there is something about love and compassion in the gospels -- though I could be mistaken (don't the Scriptures say something to the effect that God is love?) I know, pretty radical stuff.

Edited September 7, 2006 by Justified Saint

[HollyDolly]

Well I looked at the link and this cardinal is a South Korean,so no surprise there,as I'm sure there are many Buddahists there.However,as a member of the Catholic church leadership,he should be telling us to draw closer to Christ.
Which is what the pope says also on this same website.That Catholics should draw closer to Jesus to think and know Him as a friend and Saviour.

idiots come in all religions.But Budge is right in that as Catholics and Christians we should be alarmed that the cardinal would say such a thing.However we should read our bibles and try to honor and imatate Our Lord Jesus as best we can and try hard to follow his word.

I don't think Budge disagrees with the message of compassion ,but has trouble understanding why a Catholic cardinal would make such a statement.Not feeling too good,so my mind kind of wanders.

[cmotherofpirl]

Catholic leaders send greetings for Buddha's birth
4/28/2006
UCANews (www.ucanews.com)

SEOUL, South Korea (UCAN) – Cardinal Nicholas Cheong Jin-suk of Seoul has issued a message greeting all Buddhists in South Korea on the occasion of Vesak.

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Cardinal Cheong said in his April 26 message, "I congratulate all Buddhists on the occasion of Buddha's birthday this spring, when all creation comes into new being." This year Korean Buddhists will celebrate Vesak, the holiday commemorating Gautama Buddha's birth, on May 5.

The cardinal observed that although Buddha bestowed universal compassion and goodwill on people, to this day conflict, hate, hostility and many kinds of discrimination are prevalent in the world. "That is why we need Buddha's teaching more and more. We believe that we can solve the problems by following Buddha's compassion and practicing love, which is the fundamental teaching of all religions," he said.

Mentioning that Pope Benedict XVI has stressed interreligious dialogue and harmony in this pluralistic age, Cardinal Cheong expressed his intention to help build a peaceful society through more active interfaith dialogue that results in all people contributing to promote the common good.

On April 25, the Catholic Bishops' Conference of Korea (CBCK) sent its Korean translation of the Vatican's annual Vesak message to the Jogye Order, the nation's largest Buddhist denomination, and to Church-run and secular media.

The message, "Buddhists and Christians at the Service of Humanity," was signed by Archbishop Michael L. Fitzgerald as president of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue before Pope Benedict reassigned him in February as apostolic nuncio to Egypt and to the Arab League.

The Jogye Order posted the translated Vatican message on its Web site (http://www.buddhism.or.kr), along with Cardinal Cheong's message.

Meanwhile, Venerable Beopjeon, patriarch of the Jogye Order, issued a Vesak message on April 25. In it he wrote: "Those who open the sharp eye of discernment in anguish will see the Buddha. Those who are awakened to redemption in love will see Jesus."

The Buddhist leader urged the people to see the living Buddha in all people they meet daily. He said that Samantabhadra Bodhisattva (pervading goodness of highly enlightened beings) and Maitreya (the merciful Buddha) are everywhere.

"Though one may search everywhere and never find the place in this world where it exists, within the truth of 'everything is Buddha' the essence of reality is revealed and the infinite light is laid out before us all," the Jogye leader explained.

An official of the order told UCA News on April 27 that Buddhists would hold a Vesak ceremony in the Jogye Temple in downtown Seoul on May 5, at which time Venerable Beopjeon's message and congratulatory messages from other religions would be presented in public.


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So addressing buddhists and pointing out a teaching common to christians and buddhists is now a bad thing?
I suppose your email would say, convert or die right???
Great way to encourage cooperation among good against the common enemies of mankind...

[Budge]

Those Buddhists certainly arent going to know the gospel now are they? and they will see Christianity as only an OPTION rather then necessary for their own salvation via your own Cardinal.

Did the apostles preach of the love and compassion of Baal, Diana, Isis and Jupiter?

The love of Buddhism is a FALSE LOVE.

If you folks knew anything about Buddhism its main perogative is DETACHEMENT.

One saying in Buddhism is "Realise this world is unreal"

I suppose that means others are kind of unreal as well.

Not exactly the standard for TRUE LOVE and COMPASSION.

The concept of Karma teaches that the suffering DESERVE what is happening to them.
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[b]n this world nothing happens to a person that he does not for some reason or other deserve. [/b]Usually, men of ordinary intellect cannot comprehend the actual reason or reasons. The definite invisible cause or causes of the visible effect is not necessarily confined to the present life, they may be traced to a proximate or remote past birth.

According to Buddhism, this inequality is due not only to heredity, environment, "nature and nurture", but also to Karma. In other words, it is the result of our own past actions and our own present doings. We ourselves are responsible for our own happiness and misery. We create our own Heaven. We create our own Hell. We are the architects of our own fate. [/quote]

This means if a child is born handicapped it is because of something they did in a past life.....

There is NO GRACE in Buddhism.

No true LOVE.

quote from this Buddhist site...

[url="http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/karma.htm"]BUDDHIST KARMA[/url]

[cmotherofpirl]

An email for some special occasion is a simple courtous formality, but I suppose you would be happier if it was fire and brimstone threat of hellfire, instead of simple good manners.