Budge Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Next time one of you go to your priest, ask him to confess HIS SINS, to you, after all youve emptied your heart and soul, and see what happens…report back here. True Christian “confession” is supposed to be a TWO-way--no make that THREE-way street...with God and Christians edifying each other in fellowship. It isn’t supposed to be ONE guy holding all the secrets and hidden sins of a 1000 people. [b] Jam 5:16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Confess your faults ONE to ANOTHER… [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Nope, it;s not about that at all. It's about using those secrets against you to extort money! Muhahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted September 6, 2006 Author Share Posted September 6, 2006 Actually they did use it to extort people. They held the secrets of kings, nobles, and queens. Don't you know what interdicts are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zunshynn Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Jesus hasn't chosen to use me in persona Christi, so telling me his sins wouldn't do anything. I'm not one of those that Jesus gave the command that "what you loose on Earth will be loosed on Earth and what you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven." So to act as if I have been given such a task would be an offense against Our Lord's most holy will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1057796' date='Sep 6 2006, 12:09 PM'] Next time one of you go to your priest, ask him to confess HIS SINS, to you, after all youve emptied your heart and soul, and see what happens…report back here. True Christian “confession” is supposed to be a TWO-way--no make that THREE-way street...with God and Christians edifying each other in fellowship. It isn’t supposed to be ONE guy holding all the secrets and hidden sins of a 1000 people. [b] Jam 5:16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Confess your faults ONE to ANOTHER… [/b] [/quote] That scripture says nothing about being a two way or three way street during confession. It says confess your faults ONE to another. Priests also attend confession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1057796' date='Sep 6 2006, 11:09 AM'] Next time one of you go to your priest, ask him to confess HIS SINS, to you, after all youve emptied your heart and soul, and see what happens…report back here. True Christian “confession” is supposed to be a TWO-way--no make that THREE-way street...with God and Christians edifying each other in fellowship. It isn’t supposed to be ONE guy holding all the secrets and hidden sins of a 1000 people. [b] Jam 5:16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Confess your faults ONE to ANOTHER… [/b] [/quote] Do you confess your sins to a "1000 people", let alone one, or any at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Hey Budge! I'm willing to hear your confession. Do you want to do it here, or send me an e-mail privately? I promise I will be as helpful and constructive as God graces me to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswranch Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Budge, Pop quiz: According to Catholicism, what is the most important part of the Sacrament of Reconcilliation? What does that part look like? Now compare that part to the "Sinner's Prayer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1057796' date='Sep 6 2006, 10:09 AM'] [b] Jam 5:16 .... The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. [/b] [/quote] Tangent alert- St. Joseph, you are a righteous man, fervently pray for me. thanks, Budge! did not know you were giving a class on intercessory prayers and the saints!! : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 My God, there were bad people in the Church? No! Oh Lord, no! You have shaken my faith to its roots! What's an interdict? Oh no!!!!! (thumbing through CCC.....) Oh my, I'm not the proper clearance for that history!!!!! I'll have to donate more money!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farsight one Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 "confess your faults one to another"? What you mean like me(one) to priest(another)? I do that, albiet not as often as I'm told I'm supposed to, so I don't see what your problem is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote name='Winchester' post='1057872' date='Sep 6 2006, 12:00 PM'] My God, there were bad people in the Church? No! Oh Lord, no! You have shaken my faith to its roots! What's an interdict? Oh no!!!!! (thumbing through CCC.....) Oh my, I'm not the proper clearance for that history!!!!! I'll have to donate more money!!!!!!! [/quote] Winchester... more to your excellent point...now i MAY be wrong, and i hope i do not get 10 lashes on the knuckles from Sr. Mary-Ouch-That-Hurt, but i THINK priests are people... i THINK... i have been told, though i would need to confirm this, the Pope (whom we all worship on our knees by facing west), is human too. I think he sins. i do not mean to further shake your faith to the core, but the people in the Church are ...well... people. the proper clearance you need is A5k8E11, say that, then a Hail Mary, backwards in Latin.. and you are free and clear to see all the history... and for the record, and for whatever Bishop is secretly reading and recording this dialouge, Winchester is cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 I have an honest question (just curious as to the way this communist... er... I mean pure equal utopian beautiful confession system works) When your Christian brother confesses his sins to you, do you ever retain them? Say 'you are not forgiven'? Jesus breated on His Apostles and told them: "whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, whose sins you retain are thus retained" what does this verse mean? good Catholics generally have their cake and eat it to. they have their sets of friends, their spouses, their families, et cetera who they do confess everything to and who confess everything to them... good friendships between which there are no secrets and good marriages in which there are no secrets. But they also go to Christ's Apostles where they can face Christ the Just Judge and Christ the compassionate forgiver in a setting wherein they can get an objective moral guidance to their lives and receive sacramental grace and forgiveness the way Christ offered it, through His apostles. here is a challenge to you: next time one of your friends is confessing something to you, really probe him for a deep sorrow and a firm purpose of ammendment. if he cannot show you a firm purpose of ammendment then retain his sins, say they are not forgiven. see how well your friendship lasts. confessions between friends and brother christians are great, but they do not fulfill Christ's requirements for a confessor (that he holds the power to retain the sins, and that the confessing person would respect that apostle of the Lord if he were to say that his sins were retained or if he were to say that thos sins were forgiven) (nota bene: please take the term 'communist' as completely non-serious tongue-in-cheek) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary-Kathryn Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1057796' date='Sep 6 2006, 01:09 PM'] Next time one of you go to your priest, ask him to confess HIS SINS, to you, after all youve emptied your heart and soul, and see what happens…report back here. True Christian “confession” is supposed to be a TWO-way--no make that THREE-way street...with God and Christians edifying each other in fellowship. It isn’t supposed to be ONE guy holding all the secrets and hidden sins of a 1000 people. [b] Jam 5:16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Confess your faults ONE to ANOTHER… [/b] [/quote] Now you have me stumped... You are talking about Confession but are you agreeing with the Sacrament of Confession? Oh, and the priest does go to Confession. Priests don't "hold onto" the secrets and hidden sins of a thousand people. Those are forgiven and gone. Besides, if a priest hears 20 Confessions in one afternoon, there's no way he can, or wants to, remember them all. As far as asking him to confess his sins to me, its not the appropriate thing to do and I'm not the person he needs to confess to. He has asked for prayers and I gladly do that! I know, sometimes The Sacraments take time for those who are learning and those of us who are converts. Its alot easier for cradle Catholics who have had The Church all of their lives. Just trust that God knows where He wants His children and let Him lead the way. Hope your day is a good one Mary-Kathryn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 man our Church is so devious... gives people the option to come during a mass offering of confession, kneel behind a screen, disguise their voice if they want to, and they're still somehow getting everyone's secrets out and blackmailing them for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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