Jaime Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1057704' date='Sep 6 2006, 09:18 AM'] Havent you figured out by now, Im not a ecumenist [/quote] Hmm ok so we are to take that as what? You don't believe in the divinity of Christ? You don't believe in the Trinity? You don't believe in heaven or hell? (I'll leave purgatory out) C'mon Budgie. Scardella is trying to offer a sincere basis for dialogue. Your refusal to do so just paints you in a bad light. If you're here to just rage against the Church, that's fine. We'll just ignore you as a troll. But if you want to truly "show us the light", its best to start with common ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1057704' date='Sep 6 2006, 10:18 AM'] Havent you figured out by now, Im not a ecumenist Oh come on, so all those Reformers were just blowing smoke out of their ears and got it all wrong? Ive read the CCC, I know what you just stated is wrong. [b]1129 The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. [/b] [/quote] If you are not interested in ecumenism, Budge, then why are you here? Isn't this the interreligious dialogue phorum? I've read your posts the past few days, and they all seem mean-spirited, condescending, sarcastic and (at times) rude. If your goal is to convert us or point out the things you feel are wrong with us, why do you feel the need to do so with such vitriol? A lot of people on here (myself included) are genuinely-interested in hearing/reading what you've got to say. But the aformentioned-attitude you take just makes it more and more difficult to stomach the discussion without wanting to hurl my computer up against the wall and scream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1057704' date='Sep 6 2006, 09:18 AM'] Oh come on, so all those Reformers were just blowing smoke out of their ears and got it all wrong? Ive read the CCC, I know what you just stated is wrong. [b]1129 The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. [/b] [/quote] Oh and btw, are you saying that one of the things you don't share in common with us is baptism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eutychus Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote]Oh and btw, are you saying that one of the things you don't share in common with us is baptism? [/quote] One more STRAWMAN. Can't you folks debate without them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote name='Eutychus' post='1057783' date='Sep 6 2006, 11:53 AM'] One more STRAWMAN. Can't you folks debate without them? [/quote] Eutychus I am now convinced that you don't fully understand the definition of the Strawman Argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 I just saw "The Strawman" with Nicholas Cage... No, wait... "Wickerman"... either way, BAD movie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote name='Eutychus' post='1057783' date='Sep 6 2006, 12:53 PM'] One more STRAWMAN. Can't you folks debate without them? [/quote] So is there a reason you didn't answer the question.??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scardella Posted September 6, 2006 Author Share Posted September 6, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Budge' post='1057704' date='Sep 6 2006, 09:18 AM'] Havent you figured out by now, Im not a ecumenist [/quote] So... you're saying that the following verses of John's Gospel are wrong? (multiple translations provided) [quote name='John 17:20-21 NIV']My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.[/quote] [quote name='John 17:20-21 NKJV']I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.[/quote] [quote name='John 17:20-21 NAB']I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.[/quote] [quote name='John 17:20-21 NRSV']I ask not only on behalf of these, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.[/quote] Edited September 6, 2006 by scardella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadrePioOfPietrelcino Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1057302' date='Sep 5 2006, 07:54 PM'] Ok Youve read the Bible. Tell me TWO THINGS you learned from the book of HEBREWS. Dont cheat now...do this off the top of your head. [/quote] Hebrews 2:1 I think?? says that he need to adhere to what we HEAR, making it clear that not all Hristian teaching was written down by the apostles As well Hebrews spends a great deal talking about Jesus the High Priest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1057795' date='Sep 6 2006, 11:08 AM'] I just saw "The Strawman" with Nicholas Cage... No, wait... "Wickerman"... either way, BAD movie... [/quote] aw... I was looking forward to that movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scardella Posted September 6, 2006 Author Share Posted September 6, 2006 Oh, and add this: (I'm not going to bother w/ multiple translations) [quote name='Matthew 12:25 NIV']Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.[/quote] BTW, that verse is basically the same in Mark 3:24-25 and Luke 11:17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote name='CatholicCid' post='1057908' date='Sep 6 2006, 02:37 PM'] aw... I was looking forward to that movie [/quote] Yeah, sorry man.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 [quote name='scardella' post='1057930' date='Sep 6 2006, 02:57 PM'] Oh, and add this: (I'm not going to bother w/ multiple translations) BTW, that verse is basically the same in Mark 3:24-25 and Luke 11:17. [/quote] coulda sworn that was Abe Lincoln who said that. Maybe Jesus was quoting him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadrePioOfPietrelcino Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 another thing in common... We agree that a prayer life is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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