The Red Cross Ambulance Incident

[stephen]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1052293' date='Aug 28 2006, 07:08 PM']

You should find your 'zen place'.
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No thanks. Zen's not my thing. I'm Catholic, you see.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='stephen' post='1052678' date='Aug 29 2006, 12:53 AM']
No thanks. Zen's not my thing. I'm Catholic, you see.
[/quote]Kewl. So was Hitler.

[Seven77]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1052689' date='Aug 29 2006, 05:54 AM']
Kewl. So was Hitler.
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Was. Hitler was raised Catholic but rejected Christianty for paganism.

[Seven77]

Stephen, not all Jews are Zionists. A google search 'Jews against zionism' would illustrate this point.

You're pulling out on secular, cultural (and European) Jews for the most part... both sides of the debate table should realize this.

Hate sin. Love the good.

Stephen, what did you think of Pope JPII visit to the Synagogue? And his Jewish friends?

[bball33]

[quote name='stephen' post='1052676' date='Aug 29 2006, 01:39 AM']
STOP THE PRESS

My dear man. I am well aware of the ANACHRONISTIC scripture to which you allude, Matthew 23;2, where Jesus tells [i]His disciples[/i] that the Pharisees sit in Moses seat and to therefore do what they [i]say[/i]. But He also said they were hypocrites, therefore, He said [i]do not[/i] as they do.

[i]Upon the chair of Moses have sitten the Scribes and Pharisees. All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe ye and do ye: [b]but according to their works do ye not[/b], for they say and do not. [/i] (Matthew 23;2-3)
But any Catholic will tell you that since the time of Christ's death and glorious ressurection, [i]the Pope[/i] sits in Moses' seat. So this begs the question, what is your point? You're not suggesting that Catholics should do what the modern day Pharisees of rabbinic Judaism--who most certainly [i]do not[/i] sit in Moses' seat--say? Are you? I want to be perfectly clear on your meaning here.[/quote]

No, I am not suggesting that we allow something like that. What I have been arguing is that we as Catholics have very close ties to Judaism, and that I believe you are interpreting what they say wrong, and that you are only quoting the crazy zealots and applying that stereotype to everyone else that is Jewish.

[quote]I've demonstrated very, very clearly that the religion which the Apostles and our Lord practiced prior to His death and resurrection is NOT the same religion which is practiced in synagogues and called "Judaism" today, not by any stretch of the imagination.
This is the second time that you've attempted to put these words [i]that you've dreamt up[/i] in my mouth.[/quote]

I have yet to find the quote (which, in the spirit of conspiracy, I believe you took it out), but I know for a fact you wrote in one post that Jews, and the religion they practice, are destined for damnation.


[quote]pride. The racial pride condemned by the prophet Isaiah, St. Paul, God the Father and Christ Himself throughout scripture.
Many Catholics appear to be puffed up with pride, but none of them seem to base their religious pride in their race. This is a Judaic tendency, from what I observe and from what scripture states.
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Hello? Don't they believe they are the chosen ones? That doesn't neccesarily excuse that behavior, but it explains it. No-we don't base our pride on our race, but their pride of being a certain race comes from their religion.

Let me explain something-again-I am not a person who jumps up and down supporting Jews, and hoping all muslims are killed, and all that crazy stuff. However, you come on and bash the Jews for all of this evil stuff, for which evidence refuting your videos has been supplied (but of course, you can't accept that), while those that the Jews fight practice the same morality. Jews kill civilians. Who hides behind them? Hezbollah and Hamas and other crazy idiot terrorists groups. I suppose you justify the use of women and children as BOMBS when it involves killing Jews. My friend, you call us racist, yet look in the mirror. Loungedaddy was right-all you do is give material to the neo-nazis out there, and the other groups that hate Jews. I refuse to reply to you again until you are willing to accept others critique of your "evidence", and if proven wrong, that you accept that gracefully.

[KnightofChrist]

"stephen" "honey" "havent" "you" "gone" "totally" "off topic?" "Yes" "yes" "we" "all" "know" "you" "hate" "the" "Zionist," "and" "anyone" "that" "defends" "the" "Jews" "is" "a" "rabbic" "propagandist." "But" "this" "has" "nothing" "to" "do" "with" "the" "Hezbos" "faking" "the" ""attacks"" "on" "ambulances."

[stephen]

michaelismycn: [i]No, I am not suggesting that we allow something like that. What I have been arguing is that we as Catholics have very close ties to Judaism, and that I believe you are interpreting what they say wrong, and that you are only quoting the crazy zealots and applying that stereotype to everyone else that is Jewish. [/i]


I've quoted authoritative sources such as the Encyclopedia Judaica. The "Judaism" of today is Pharisaism. It's [i]not[/i] the religion of the Old Testament. If you studied the matter you would know this is true. Instead you tell me that I'm wrong based upon nothing more than your opinion while I support what I say with authoritative sources.

Furthermore, I haven't made any blanket claims about anyone. Some "Jews" have distanced themselves from the horrors of the religion of rabbinic Judaism, rightly, out of disgust for it's elitism, racism and hatred for non-"Jews".

[quote name='michaelismycn' post='1052795' date='Aug 29 2006, 01:05 PM']I have yet to find the quote (which, in the spirit of conspiracy, I believe you took it out), but I know for a fact you wrote in one post that Jews, and the religion they practice, are destined for damnation.[/quote]

I'm afraid that's false. I didn't make any blanket claim of all Jews as being damned. I have great confidence that Mary and the Apostles are not damned, Judas aside.

The texts of the religion of Judaism, on the other hand, are entirely condemned in perpetuity by the Catholic Church, and rightly so.



[quote name='michaelismycn' post='1052795' date='Aug 29 2006, 01:05 PM'] Don't they believe they are the chosen ones? That doesn't neccesarily excuse that behavior, but it explains it. No-we don't base our pride on our race, but their pride of being a certain race comes from their religion.[/quote]

The Old Testament Prophets, John the Baptist, God the Father, Christ, and His Apostles all warned against racial pride and told the Israelites that there is no salvation by race.

St John the Baptist said that God could raise up [i]stones[/i] to be Israel. That's not a very strong endorsement for racial pride.

But then, you are correct to say that that their racial pride comes from their religion--rabbinic Judaism--and this is just one of countless examples which show clearly that their religion is not the religion of the Bible.

[quote name='michaelismycn' post='1052795' date='Aug 29 2006, 01:05 PM'] Let me explain something-again-I am not a person who jumps up and down supporting Jews, and hoping all muslims are killed, and all that crazy stuff. [/quote]

That's good. The world has more than enough of those types of people. And unfortunately, many of them wield power and influence in a way that endangers us all.




[quote name='michaelismycn' post='1052795' date='Aug 29 2006, 01:05 PM'] However, you come on and bash the Jews for all of this evil stuff, for which evidence refuting your videos has been supplied (but of course, you can't accept that) ... [/quote]

I'm sorry. The video of the Israeli missile attack on an ambulance in Lebanon during the 1996 "Grapes of Wrath" operation is unassailable. It has not been refuted any more than I ever said "all Jews are damned to hell." I do hope that you'll at least try to keep your comments within the confines of reality.


[quote name='michaelismycn' post='1052795' date='Aug 29 2006, 01:05 PM'] ... while those that the Jews fight practice the same morality. [/quote]

I don't defend any real terrorist groups whether they may be Arabs or Israelis. But it seems to me that the US government and media have done a spectacular job of convincing people that practically all Muslims, if not [i]all Arabs[/i], are terrorists while painting all Israelis as innocent victims who have the moral high ground.

So why are you so worked up that little old me posts some information on an internet website which is completely overshadowed by the contrary message put out by the US government and media behemoth? There's no proportion there whatsoever.

[quote name='michaelismycn' post='1052795' date='Aug 29 2006, 01:05 PM'] Jews kill civilians. Who hides behind them? Hezbollah and Hamas and other crazy idiot terrorists groups. [/quote]

If you keep repeating this Zionist propaganda, you risk being perceived as one who justifies killing civilians because "Hezbollah hides behind civilians." There's no excuse for killing the innocent. Period.

[quote name='michaelismycn' post='1052795' date='Aug 29 2006, 01:05 PM'] I suppose you justify the use of women and children as BOMBS when it involves killing Jews. [/quote]

No I don't. But unlike most people, I realize that Arabs weren't blowing themselves up before the Zionists came to their lands, and that only terribly oppressed, desperate people behave that way and that the best way to make them stop behaving that way is to stop oppressing them and treat them justly.

[quote name='michaelismycn' post='1052795' date='Aug 29 2006, 01:05 PM'] My friend, you call us racist, yet look in the mirror. [/quote]

If you're accusing me of racism, then you're obligated to substantiate the claim with evidence. What negative statement have I made about anyone based upon race? None whatsoever.

[quote name='michaelismycn' post='1052795' date='Aug 29 2006, 01:05 PM'] Loungedaddy was right-all you do is give material to the neo-nazis out there, and the other groups that hate Jews. [/quote]

If only you were as concerned about what effects the preponderance of negative press has for innocent Arabs.


[quote name='michaelismycn' post='1052795' date='Aug 29 2006, 01:05 PM'] I refuse to reply to you again until you are willing to accept others critique of your "evidence", and if proven wrong, that you accept that gracefully.
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If someone proves the evidence I've supplied to be false, I'll retract, but not beforehand.

Edited August 29, 2006 by stephen

[stephen]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1052689' date='Aug 29 2006, 07:54 AM']
Kewl. So was Hitler.
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Hmmn. If you think that Hitler's occult master race religion and national socialist political system have anything to do with Catholicism, I'd say you're terribly mistaken.

Ironically, Hitler's master race religion has a lot more in common with rabbinic Judaism, Kabbalism in particular, than any other religion.

Edited August 29, 2006 by stephen