The Red Cross Ambulance Incident

[stephen]

[quote name='CatholicCid' post='1051115' date='Aug 26 2006, 06:54 PM']


One side said it was for terrorist use.
The other said it was for humanitarian.


[/quote]

Since we know with absolute certainty that the ambulance carried innocent people, 6 of whom were killed by an Israeli missile, the side which says that the ambulance was used for humanitarian purposes is the correct side. The side which shot at an ambulance and killed 6 innocent people is the wrong side.

Edited August 27, 2006 by stephen

[CatholicCid]

[quote name='stephen' post='1051273' date='Aug 26 2006, 09:47 PM']
Since we know with absolute certainty that the ambulance arried innocent people, 6 of whom were killed by an Israeli missile, the side which says that the ambulance was used for humanitarian purposes is the correct side. The side which shot at an ambulance and killed 6 innocent people is the wrong side.
[/quote]
Please provide this absolute certainity. I am suprised you did not do so right away.

[Jaime]

[quote name='CatholicCid' post='1051284' date='Aug 26 2006, 10:57 PM']
Please provide this absolute certainity. I am suprised you did not do so right away.
[/quote]

Surprised? He has yet to address any of the points brought up by this thread. He's totally avoided it and tried to change the subject.

He rants for terrorists. Nothing more

[stephen]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1051117' date='Aug 26 2006, 06:58 PM']


I think that Amnesty. like every news agency, got duped by the propaganda. Which btw you refuse to refute! [/quote]

The Amnesty International report pertains to [i]another[/i] Israeli missile attack on an ambulance from 1996. You're apparently conflating that incident with the most recent Israeli attacks on ambulances from 3 weeks ago.



[quote name='hot stuff' post='1051117' date='Aug 26 2006, 06:58 PM'] How in the world can a rocket cause the exact same sized hole as the vent that is in all lebanese ambulances? Quite the coincidence Stephen. [/quote]

It matters not whether a missile caused the hole or whether the vent was blown off by machine gun fire or some other means. I'm not going to get mired in inconsequential details. What concerns me is that the Israelis attack ambulances, not what weapons they use to do it.

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1051117' date='Aug 26 2006, 06:58 PM']I'm certainly not saying that Israel has not killed civilians. What I am saying is that this is a clear case of war propaganda. And you've bought it hook line and sinker pal![/quote]

You're spreading propaganda yourself and attempting to get the Israelis off from their war crimes with two-bit lawyers tricks, "Church Scholar."

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1051117' date='Aug 26 2006, 06:58 PM']PS you might want to provide a link that works
[/quote]

This link to the video documentation of an Israeli missile attack on a Lebanese ambulance [i]from 1996[/i] which you refuse to acknowledge works fine for me.

[url="http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9604/13/israel.le...pm/ambulnce.mov"]http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9604/13/israel.le...pm/ambulnce.mov[/url]

Edited August 27, 2006 by stephen

[CatholicCid]

I believe he means this link:

[url="http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9604/13/israel.lebanon.pm/ambulnce.mov"]http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9604/13/israel.le...pm/ambulnce.mov[/url]

But I believe we asked for your "absolute certainity" that the people in the 'ambulance' were innocent. I am quite interested to hear it.

Edited August 27, 2006 by CatholicCid

[stephen]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1051154' date='Aug 26 2006, 07:50 PM']
Stevie,
It IS ignorant to not stop at a check point, even if you are an ambulance. [/quote]

It is ignorance to stop ambulances at checkpoints in an emergency situation.

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1051154' date='Aug 26 2006, 07:50 PM'] It's a known fact that terrorists have used ambulances to transport arms and combatants. [/quote]

This is the fourth time you've made this claim without offering a shred of evidence in support.

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1051154' date='Aug 26 2006, 07:50 PM'] All vehicles are checked as a matter of course. Ambulances don't get the same scrutiny as other vehicles.[/quote]

It seems to me that holding up an ambulance until the wounded or pregnant person inside dies is more than scrutiny. You're making a false claim here.

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1051154' date='Aug 26 2006, 07:50 PM'] Again, you point the finger the wrong way. It's the COWARD Hezbollay that hide behind pregnant women when they use ambulances. it's the COWARD Hezbollay that are responsible for putting innocent people in harms way by using hospitals, schools, and ambulances for military purposes.
[/quote]

That's the fifth time you've made that claim without offering a shred of evidence without support.

Of all the disingenuous Zionist war crimes apologists here on this Catholic web forum, I must give you credit for at least choosing an appropriate screename, Anomaly.

[Jaime]

[quote]The Amnesty International report pertains to another Israeli missile attack on an ambulance from 1996. You're apparently conflating that incident with the most recent Israeli attacks on ambulances from 3 weeks ago.
[/quote]

No.. Because your link still doesn't work, (It goes to a "not found" page) I went and researched Amnesty's take on the latest event.

[quote]It matters not whether a missile caused the hole, of whether the vent was blown off by machine gun fire or some other means. I'm not going to get mired in inconsequential details. What concerns me is that the Israelis attack ambulances, not what weapons they use to do it.[/quote]

It might not matter to you sport. But when it comes to the truth, it matters a lot! Here is what the ambulance driver reported

[quote]`A big fire came toward me, like in a dream. I thought I was dying, at first," Shaalan said. ``Then I opened my eyes, and I could see. I thought everyone in the ambulance was dead."

A rocket or missile had made a direct hit through the roof, Shaalan said, severing one patient's right leg. Shaalan took cover in a nearby building.[/quote]

Except that in light of the evidence provided in my working link, that pretty much is a bunch of bs.

[quote]You're spreading propaganda yourself and attempting to get the Israelis off from their war crimes with two-bit lawyers tricks, "Church Scholar."
[/quote]

Lawyer tricks my patootie. Address the article posted Stephen. Oh wait, you can't. Because it provides logical information. The ambulance attack three weeks ago was faked.

Bring it sport. Read the article. Address the points. Its pretty compelling isn't it? Or would you prefer to be an apologist for terrorists?

[CatholicCid]

[quote name='stephen' post='1051310' date='Aug 26 2006, 10:14 PM']
This is the fourth time you've made this claim without offering a shred of evidence in support.
That's the fifth time you've made that claim without offering a shred of evidence without support.
[/quote]

Your article actually somewhat supports his claim

[quote]Independent observers interviewed by Amnesty International did suggest that Hizbullah may have misused ambulances, but did not provide specific examples to corroborate such suspicions. [/quote]

And now time for that absolute certainity.

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hot stuff, if you check my last post or his first post, that should provide a working link.

Edited August 27, 2006 by CatholicCid

[stephen]

[quote name='CatholicCid' post='1051294' date='Aug 27 2006, 12:07 AM']
I believe he means this link:

[url="http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9604/13/israel.lebanon.pm/ambulnce.mov"]http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9604/13/israel.le...pm/ambulnce.mov[/url]

But I believe we asked for your "absolute certainity" that the people in the 'ambulance' were innocent. I am quite interested to hear it.
[/quote]

Why, on a Catholic forum is it necessary to explain to people that [b]children,[/b] 3 of whom were killed in that Israeli attack on an ambulance, and 3 [b]women[/b] who were killed, are innocent?

Civilians, and particularly women and children, are [i]always innocent [/i] in war. It's absolutely unacceptable to Christians for women and children to be attacked militarily.

Your "morality" is not Christian, it's rabbinic. It's source is the anti-Christ Talmud of anti-Christ rabbinic Judaism.

Edited August 27, 2006 by stephen

[Jaime]

Oh I've seen that video clip before. You wanna know where? Its on the page that I've linked. And its completely refuted. Yet you Stephen refuse to address any of the points brought up by the article.

Zero

None

You just continue to blather and insult. (Now I'm starting to enjoy this) So come on Stephen. Let's see some dialogue!! Let's see some intelligent discourse from you! Address ANY of the points brought up by the article.

At least then I'll know you've read it.


Jigs up Stephen. You're true colors are showing through. You're a protester wannabe. Nothing more. You refuse to do research. You refuse to think critically. You just want to wave a flag and chant against Israel. You can't deal with the fact that Hezbollah has been doing wonders in the propaganda dept. You just keep getting spoonfed and saying "please sir can I have some more"

Here is more evidence of photography tampering and Hezbollah propaganda (Not that Stephen will read it. Too many big words I imagine)

[url="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion_columnists/article/0,2777,DRMN_23972_4912107,00.html"]http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opin...4912107,00.html[/url]

[stephen]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1051316' date='Aug 27 2006, 12:17 AM']

It might not matter to you sport. But when it comes to the truth, it matters a lot! [/quote]

Then explain to us what moral difference it makes whether the Israelis attack an ambulance with a missile or whether they use automatic weapons or some other means. I'm interested to know the difference.


[quote name='hot stuff' post='1051316' date='Aug 27 2006, 12:17 AM'] Here is what the ambulance driver reported [/quote]

I haven't quoted the ambulance driver.


[quote name='hot stuff' post='1051316' date='Aug 27 2006, 12:17 AM'] Except that in light of the evidence provided in my working link, that pretty much is a bunch of bs.
Lawyer tricks my patootie. Address the article posted Stephen. Oh wait, you can't. Because it provides logical information. The ambulance attack three weeks ago was faked. [/quote]

The article attempts to create doubts. It proves nothing.

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1051316' date='Aug 27 2006, 12:17 AM'] Bring it sport. Read the article. Address the points. Its pretty compelling isn't it? [/quote]

No, it's apologetics for Israeli war crimes.

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1051316' date='Aug 27 2006, 12:17 AM']Or would you prefer to be an apologist for terrorists?
[/quote]

I see. When one defends against innocents who are shot at in ambulances, that's assumed to be"terrorist apologetics." Thanks for explaining your thought process, "Church Scholar."

Edited August 27, 2006 by stephen

[Jaime]

[quote]
Then explain to us what moral difference it makes whether the Israelis attack an ambulance with a missile or whether they use automatic weapons or some other means. I'm interested to know the difference. [/quote]


The ambulance driver said he was hit by a missile sport. I quoted it. You ignored it.

[quote]I haven't quoted the ambulance driver.
[/quote]

Nope I did. You ignored the quote sport

[quote]The article attempts to create doubts. It proves nothing.No, it's apologetics for Israeli war crimes. It compels me only to expose it as such.[/quote]

PLEASE DO SO!! That's what I'm waiting for. THAT'S why I started this thread. You haven't offered ANYTHING to refute it. How compelled are you?

Or are you not aware of the definition of compelled?


Come on Stephen!! I'm losing interest! You are showing yourself as a low rent protester wannabee. Come on man! Pick up the slack!

[CatholicCid]

[quote name='stephen' post='1051335' date='Aug 26 2006, 10:35 PM']
Why, on a Catholic forum is it necessary to explain to people that [b]children,[/b] 3 of whom were killed in that Israeli attack on an ambulance, and 3 [b]women[/b] who were killed, are innocent?

Civilians, and particularly women and children, are [i]always innocent [/i] in war. It's absolutely unacceptable to Christians for women and children to be attacked militarily.

Your "morality" is not Christian, it's rabbinic. It's source is the anti-Christ Talmud of anti-Christ rabbinic Judaism.
[/quote]

I'm sorry, but I see this as still avoiding the question.

You claimed to have "absolute certainity" that all the people were innocent civilians. Please provide this information.

As you told hot stuff, "you've made this claim without offering a shred of evidence in support."

I'm sad to say, but in today's times, women and children are not always civilians. Such as the war in Iraq where there were cases of women and children acting as suicide bombers.

[url="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1213_041213_tv_suicide_bombers.html"]http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...de_bombers.html[/url]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_suicide_bomber"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_suicide_bomber[/url]
[url="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1898856,00.html"]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1898856,00.html[/url]
[url="http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0817/p12s01-woiq.html"]http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0817/p12s01-woiq.html[/url]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide...tinian_conflict[/url]
[url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1446003.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1446003.stm[/url]
[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6889106/"]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6889106/[/url]

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Though, I don't think the name calling, direct attacks, and insults are necessary by anyone.

Edited August 27, 2006 by CatholicCid

[stephen]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1051354' date='Aug 27 2006, 12:43 AM']
Oh I've seen that video clip before. You wanna know where? Its on the page that I've linked. And its completely refuted. Yet you Stephen refuse to address any of the points brought up by the article.

[/quote]

No, actually, the propaganda to which you refer makes reference to the absolutely undeniable fact that the Israelis attacked an ambulance in Lebanon in 1996 and calls it the "the supposed 1996 Israeli attack on an ambulance." It does not in any way refute the fact that the Israelis attacked an ambulance in 1996. That's a blatant lie, "Church Scholar." Unfortunately, I must remind you that God's eighth commandment forbids what you are attempting to do--bear false witness.

Here's video which documents the dead women and children inside the ambulance attacked by the Israelis in Lebanon in 1996 who's murder you are attempting to whitewash. Go to this site and click on the appropriate link:

[url="http://tyros.leb.net/qana/"]http://tyros.leb.net/qana/[/url]

You'll also want to see the video which documents the first Israeli massacre at Qana in which 106 mostly women and children were killed and 351 injured.

[Jaime]

So by totally avoiding the question, it leads me to believe that you acknowledge the fact that the "rocketing" of ambulances three weeks ago was most likely faked. That the Iraelis had nothing to do with it. That Hezbollah has duped you.


Since you are only concerned about talking about 1996.