South Dakota Execution

[Norseman82]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1052401' date='Aug 28 2006, 08:47 PM']
That happened to Mr. Page when he was a child, the only difference is that he was lucky enough to survive.
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I'll admit that the first time I read he thread I missed that the abuse was sexual. So, if you are arguing that the abuse so diminished his judgement, would you agree to life imprisonment for him if all his abusers took the needle for him, seeing that the guilt imputation and responsibility would transfer to them?

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='Norseman82' post='1052429' date='Aug 28 2006, 09:29 PM']
I'll admit that the first time I read he thread I missed that the abuse was sexual. So, if you are arguing that the abuse so diminished his judgement, would you agree to life imprisonment for him if all his abusers took the needle for him, seeing that the guilt imputation and responsibility would transfer to them?
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Well the government is executing him only because it fail him as a child terribly.

[Socrates]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1052428' date='Aug 28 2006, 08:28 PM']
Executed is not lawful. The Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment.
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Execution is not cruel or unusual, but was standard practice in the early years of the American republic. Michigan was the first state to end the death penalty in 1846.

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1052443' date='Aug 28 2006, 09:55 PM']
Execution is not cruel or unusual, but was standard practice in the early years of the American republic. Michigan was the first state to end the death penalty in 1846.
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If killing someone isn't cruel then why does the law punish murderers?

[ardillacid]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1052433' date='Aug 28 2006, 09:35 PM']
Well the government is executing him only because it fail him as a child terribly.
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how can you argue with someone who is illogical? It is not the government's job to raise a child. It is the parents. If they fail, the government hasn't failed

[Socrates]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1052445' date='Aug 28 2006, 08:58 PM']
If killing someone isn't cruel then why does the law punish murderers?
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Because it is wrong to unjustly take the life of another.
But when one unjustly takes the life of another, he forfeits his own right to life.

[url="http://www.newadvent.org/summa/306402.htm"]St. Thomas Aquinas on the death penalty[/url]

God Himself commanded that people be put to death for murder and other crimes.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1052433' date='Aug 28 2006, 10:35 PM']
Well the government is executing him only because it fail him as a child terribly.
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That is a crock.
The government is executing him because he was lawfully condemned for the murder of an innocent human being. The government has that right and the Catholic Church agrees that the state has that right. Emotionally that may not sit well with you, but emotions don't rule law.
Have some pity on his poor parents and the family of the murdered man, instead of the perp who beat someone senseless.

[catholicinsd]

Eli's life is valuable just as all life is valuable. Jesus hung on a cross for him. His debts are already paid.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1052528' date='Aug 28 2006, 10:15 PM']
Eli's life is valuable just as all life is valuable. Jesus hung on a cross for him. His debts are already paid.
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Then I guess there is no such thing as a Mortal Sin which results in condeming yourself to eternal life in Hell.
His debt was paid... Luther said so.

[catholicinsd]

Jesus said "The first shall be last and the last be first." As you people support this violence, so shall this act befall your house. And the victims of execution will be raised to God's throne, while you all suffer for your unholy lack of mercy.

May God have mercy on all your souls.

[Anomaly]

I think a Catholic just put a curse on me...

[ardillacid]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1052541' date='Aug 28 2006, 11:27 PM']
Jesus said "The first shall be last and the last be first." As you people support this violence, so shall this act befall your house. And the victims of execution will be raised to God's throne, while you all suffer for your unholy lack of mercy.

May God have mercy on all your souls.
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way to totally judge just like you told us not to do

[catholicinsd]

I don't think Iwas being judgemental but anyway.

Holy God, Have Mercy on Eli
Father of Us, Have Mercy on Eli
Jesus, Have Mercy on Eli
Executed Lamb, Have Mercy on Eli
Divine Fetus, Have Mercy on Eli
Holy Spirit, Have Mercy on Eli
Holy Mary, Pray for Eli
Mother of the Executed, Pray for Eli
Our Lady of the Prarie, Pray for Eli
St. Michael, Pray for Eli
Holy Elijah, Pray for Eli
Chester Poage, Pray for Eli

All ye Native Dakota Spirits be with him

Amen

[ardillacid]

what are you a pagan?

[Aloysius]

hmm... demonize the opposition, beg the question, and ignore all logical arguments.. seems like a good way to win a debate to me (in your own mind).

seriously, stop for a minute, clear your mind of emotional attachments to this issue, and calmly look at the facts.

God instituted the death penalty directly. The God of the Old Testament is the same as the God of the New Testament. Jesus did not call upon anyone to abolish the death penalty: God's law still stands as long as Jesus did not abrogate it: "Whosoever shed a man's blood by man shall his blood be shed"

Jesus said, "I have not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. Not one jot or tittle of the law will pass away until the end of time". God's law still stands: "Whosoever shed a man's blood by man shall his blood be shed"

Jesus' Church consistently teaches that the execution of anyone who is guilty of a grave crime is a good and just thing. The Church in the modern world calls for increased use of non-lethal means and decreased use of execution as she sees this as a greater good, but she does say that execution itself is no longer good and just (for moral law does not change with the changing of the seasons, it is eternal and unchangeable Truth)

Eli accepts his punishment of death (by all indications) and feels that it is justice for a henious crime he committed. To him, as to many repentent murderers, this is the only way he can know justice is satisfied and his put his soul at ease. He, like many repentent murderers, is likely haunted by the eyes of his victim and wants to face up to that action he did when he killed one man and at the same time killed his own soul and his own right to live. If this man understands and accepts his punishment, taking upon him the acceptance of the punishment and the virtue of expiation, then how much more is this execution something good and holy: we are sending a man to His Eternal Judge with a repentent heart. We are sending him to face his victim and be given the chance to directly apologize. We are sending Him to the place where The Divine Healer can heal His soul from all the damage it has due to his childhood and his own life sins.

The anti-death penalty movement originated out of the 'Enlightenment' disbelief in an afterlife. The Catholic anti-death penalty movement cannot have the same motivations or resemble it in any way shape or form, because the Catholic is bound by Catholic doctrine to believe that the death penalty is the right of the state and that there is an eternal justice which sorts out all Justice in the end.