cmotherofpirl Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1046562' date='Aug 20 2006, 07:48 AM'] Im glad you brought up Jim Jones. Why? Because all cults have one man in charge that isnt to be questioned. They all have that in common. [u]a man with supreme ultimate authority, that no one can question who cannot be held accountable.[/u] So now in the Catholic Church, we have a man in silk claiming God is in false religions and that interreligious dialogue is the way to go, even though the Bible says otherwise, you folks follow him and those who work for him without question. Jim Jones made his poor deluded people call him FATHER too. {Just like the Pope is called Holy Father} All these cults ignore the teachings of Jesus--Call no man Father. Cults all have many things in common across the board. And if you consider ultra-liberal NWO-supporting, demon-possessed, Jim Jones to be a GENERIC Christian you are VERY CONFUSED. [/quote] But of course the Pope is surrounded by advisors , counselers, cardinals, his confessor, and the Holy Spirit which is just a bit different : The pope wears the robes of a dominican, which of course are not silk, and there can be a kernal of truth in any religion. St Paul engages in interreligious dialogue as did all the Apostles and Evangelists, or you didn't read Acts yet. And the Bible also said to respect authority, and Paul was called Father as well. No I consider you to be a generic christian, just like Jim Jones, answerable to no authority except your own opinions and your own little version of christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1046579' date='Aug 20 2006, 07:51 AM'] and there can be a kernal of truth in any religion. [/quote] I'm glad someone brought this up. Budge, Before you jump over Cmom regarding this, what she writes is entirely biblical. See Romans 2:12-16. Also, singer Sal Solo told a story last week of a young man in India who became a Muslim cleric at the age of 18 and was trained to preach against Christ. A Christian (probably Catholic, but perhaps not), asked rhetorically "Who is this Jesus you preach against?" Well, the young Muslim cleric went back to the Koran. He found instances of Jesus performing miracles, but not Mohammed. He found writings regarding Mary, but nothing regarding any of Mohammed's wives. He found references to the fact that Jesus would return again, but nothing regarding Mohammed. Finally, he found something in the Koran that stated "If you don't find your answers in this book, go back to the Scriptures" (meaning the Christian Old and New Testaments). He did, and became a believer in Christ. Now he is a Catholic lay preacher who is in hiding since his family wants to carry out the death sentence against him for leaving Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eutychus Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 [quote] But of course t[u]he Pope is surrounded by advisors , counselers, cardinals, his confessor,[/u] and the Holy Spirit which is just a bit different[/quote] Please buy and read this book. [img]http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/vicars.jpg[/img] [url="http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/Poolbeg.html"]http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/Poolbeg.html[/url] My copy is valuable, and so it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) nm.. Edited August 20, 2006 by Norseman82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 [quote]I can only wonder why a book published just 16 years ago is so rare. Can the Vatican have collected and perhaps destroyed as many copies as it could get its hands on?[/quote] :rotfl: too rich... too rich indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswranch Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1046572' date='Aug 20 2006, 06:22 AM'] So can you tell me what the EIGHT DIRECTIONS OF THE WORLD are then? [/quote] North South East West NE SE NW SW ? just kidding You still did not answer my question if the priest is supporting the worship of Shiva, of if the commentator is placing words in his mouth. You simply changed the subject and took another potshot with the "The Sun God and The Astrological Universe." If you do not have a response, I suggest you remove your accusation on that item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 I believe there are many pagan sources that refer to the four corners of the Earth. Guess we should cut that part out of the Book of Revelations for fear of the Bible Itself breaking the First Commandment, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswranch Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Budge, You are still yet to respond to my direct question. [quote name='jswranch' post='1046733' date='Aug 20 2006, 11:31 AM'] You still did not answer my question if the priest is supporting the worship of Shiva, of if the commentator is placing words in his mouth. You simply changed the subject and took another potshot with the "The Sun God and The Astrological Universe." If you do not have a response, I suggest you remove your accusation on that item. [/quote] Please do not change the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Budge' post='1046562' date='Aug 20 2006, 06:48 AM'] All these cults ignore the teachings of Jesus--Call no man Father. [/quote] Ok, I've seriously always wondered, if this is to be taken literally at face value, then what should one call the man who donated half of ones biological material? Edited August 21, 2006 by MissScripture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted August 22, 2006 Author Share Posted August 22, 2006 [quote] You still did not answer my question if the priest is supporting the worship of Shiva, of if the commentator is placing words in his mouth. You simply changed the subject and took another potshot with the "The Sun God and The Astrological Universe." If you do not have a response, I suggest you remove your accusation on that item. Please do not change the subject.[/quote] Dont you realize the CORE component of FALSE RELIGIONS including Hinduism is SUN WORSHIP.. [font="Lucida Sans Unicode"] Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.[/font] [size=5] The Hindu scriptures present the Sun as the most potent god.[/size][font=Arial Black] [img]http://www.indhistory.com/img/hindu-temple-sun-temple-01.jpg[/img] Hindu Sun Temple [img]http://www.esonet.org/Pinacoteca/deihindu/surya01.jpg[/img] Hindu God of the Sun..Surya... so I did NOT change the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 And what does this have to do with this mass? This mass at which shiva was not mentioned, the sun was not mentioned (at least not in your artical's account), the god of the sun was not mentioned... just like in ancient times Christians used the word "kyrie" meaning "lord" to refer to christ, these Christians used the word "krishna" meaning "lord" to refer to Christ. just as the biblical analogy goes, Christ is the Light of the World, they came to Mass to worship Christ... you have to be more clear in tying these points you make to the core of the argument. show us that these catholics were worshipping these hindu gods, there's no reason to describe to us how hindu gods are worshipped. where is the worship of hindu gods in this mass? connect the dots with words and logic. you are so far away from what happened at that mass that you have jumped over quite a large casm to come to your conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted August 22, 2006 Author Share Posted August 22, 2006 [quote]Christians used the word "krishna" meaning "lord" to refer to Christ[/quote] Wow so these guys are praying to Jesus too? Yippee... [sarcastic] [img]http://mishami.image.pbase.com/u46/karlp73/large/29798464.182226a.jpg[/img] [i][quote]Krishna, the reincarnation of Vishnu, who represents the Absolute Lord, is said to have se-duced 16,000 women, and a whole occult, erotic literature has been developed around this aspect of Krishna.[17] The words “Hare Krishna” mean “O energy of the Lord (Hare), O Lord (Krishna), please engage me in your service!” This energy is actually the goddess Radha, Krishna’s chief consort, who “helps the de-votee achieve the grace of the supreme Father,” Krishna, who reveals himself to the sincere devotee. The mantra “Hare Krish-na” is thus supposed to awaken spiritual consciousness.[18][/quote][/i] From original article that started this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswranch Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 I do not see the link you say there is. I find your logic off. In the bible I see Paul evangelizing the Word to the greeks using what they already know and converting their knowledge and practice to the truth. I see the priest in India doing the same. The rest of the negative things in the article were placed there by the author. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswranch Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 I do not see the link you say there is. I find your logic off. In the bible I see Paul evangelizing the Word to the greeks using what they already know and converting their knowledge and practice to the truth. I see the priest in India doing the same. The rest of the negative things in the article were placed there by the author. I do not see the link you say there is. I find your logic off. In the bible I see Paul evangelizing the Word to the greeks using what they already know and converting their knowledge and practice to the truth. I see the priest in India doing the same. The rest of the negative things in the article were placed there by the author. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 the word "kyrie" used to refer to pagan greek gods. Christians used it to refer to Christ. the word "krishnu" means "lord" in their language. Unless you suggest that they use the english word "lord" or the greek word "kyrie" or the latin word "dominus" or the hebrew word "adonai", then I believe their use of their own language to call God "lord" is perfectly acceptable to God. The original artical said that they were chanting "hare krishnu" while the Lord's prayer was going on. Clearly, then, they are adressing God and only God, not the reincarnation of Vishnu, by using their word for "lord" Again, what word would you have them use if they wished to call Jesus Lord? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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