willguy Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Okay, I was thinking (always a scary thing), and I came to this thought about the Eucharist compared to the Incarnation. It seems that transubstantiation is more "complete" than the Incarnation. My reasoning is that in transubstantiation, the wine and bread retain only their "accidents", the substance of them is purely Jesus. In the incarnation, Jesus possessed the accidents of being human, but He also had the substance of being human (a human will, a human mind), so the substance was both God and human (100% both). Therefore, is transubstantiation more "complete" because it actually gets rid of the non-Godly substance? (I may have asked this before, but I don't remember where and I didn't see the answer). :getaclue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 well, i think it's exactly the same substance. the substance of the Eucharist is also 100% Divine and 100% Man; Body, Blood, Soul andDivinity :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary's Knight, La Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 willguy, in the incarnation Jesus had to have the *nature* of a human in order for His sacrifice to be fitting, as a matter of fact to have a life He could lay down because God can't die but humans can. they are both complete because by taking human nature through the incarnation His humanity is also present in the Eucharist. once Jesus took on human nature His "form" required human accidents to be expressed fully, it's sorta hard to explain without getting too heady but try theology for beginners by frank sheed i think he discusses it in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted January 12, 2004 Author Share Posted January 12, 2004 Mary and Al, Thanks for the responses. I was completely forgetting that Jesus' humanity is present in the Eucharist as well as His Divinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_rev Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Frank sheed is great! I've read Theology for Beginners, and I understand a lot more now! Anyways, Isn't the incarnation God becoming Human within Jeuss? I recall that is right. So if God did not incarnate himself, than Jesus couldn't of shared his body and blood, and still wouldn't of died on the cross for us, so Jesus in the Eucharist, is equally the same with the incarnation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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