Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Obviously you haven't spent time in prot chatrooms hearing them discuss backsliders and people who have gone from saved to sinful and what to do about them. I have. My soul weeps for those people that attempt to fit Scripture into their culture. They doubt the power of Scripture and they doubt it's fullness and the beauty that is within it. It is the window into reality - yet most see it as a rulebook to limit fun. Please do not ever group me with such people, I deal with them constantly and passionately argue against them showing them what can be found in Scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 "Mary did you know?" makes me cry. It's beautiful. A Baptist is singing it now. :sadder: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 I did not lump you in, but if I have to go thru every group and there various interpretations EVERY time we say the word protestants our posts will make Likos 'slook like one-liners. And if you think those groups are bad, you ought to visit a Catholic chat room on yahoo where W of B, and statues worshippers are visitor's favorite refrain as they try to save the poor hell-bound Catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 "Mary did you know?" makes me cry. It's beautiful. A Baptist is singing it now. :sadder: That is a wonderful song - I play it on my guitar as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 "Mary did you know?" makes me cry. It's beautiful. A Baptist is singing it now. :sadder: you can hear it all te time: http://home.att.net/~Poofy/xmas1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 I did not lump you in, but if I have to go thru every group and there various interpretations EVERY time we say the word protestants our posts will make Likos 'slook like one-liners. And if you think those groups are bad, you ought to visit a Catholic chat room on yahoo where W of B, and statues worshippers are visitor's favorite refrain as they try to save the poor hell-bound Catholics. Please keep in mind Cmom I will give a defense for the protestants I know to be in love with Christ and who are so deep in Scripture I understand nothing of their papers sometimes. Those that visit a Catholic Chat Room and yell "statue worshippers" and things such as that are out of line. But Catholics much of the time are out of line with comments such as "you just believe that so you can account for when someone falls away" or "is the light of truth too bright for you??" I know Truth. It is truth that Jesus came and died for my sins. It is truth that He was an eternal sacrifice reconciling me to God forever. I thank Him for that daily. You may disagree and believe that something you do can cut you off from Christ now - but that is your worry, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 I have the hope of Salvation, the hope that God will always move me to live in Him, through Him, and with Him. But I CANNOT accept the notion that if I consciously do what displeases Him that He will bring me home to Him. I can expect to see my Lord as long as I am a faithful Bride, but when I start trying serve the World, the Flesh, and the Devil, I don't see how He in His holiness can still call me Bride and bring me home to Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 sanctified bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 is there something you want me to respond to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 the world does nnot revolve around you monsieur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 (edited) just checking didn't want to miss any fun responses! Edited January 7, 2004 by Circle_Master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 The Bible is my source for truth and that is the only source I have. That makes me feel very sad for you. If I find a passage and do a study on it and it seems to teach something different I change my theology.So, you rely basically on your own intellect to tell you what the Scriptures mean. With many interpretations out there, one can find interpretations to justify almost any sin, and call it good. I let Scripture speak for itself. Where does the Bible tell you to do that? Where does the Bible state that it is the pillar and foundation of Truth? You have only one leg to stand on: Scripture. (and an altered Bible at that) We Catholics have three: Scripture, Apostolic Tradition, and a Holy Spirit guided Authority commissioned by Christ. These three stand together to support and present Truth, never competing, never contradicting. Hence, we understand that salvation isn't attained in a single one-time act, but it is rather a process which occurs over a lifetime... "And ye shall be hated of all men for My Name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved" (Matthew 10:22). "...work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure"(Philippians 2:12-13) God is the Judge Who decides who is saved and who is damned, not us. We believe overstepping our role and claiming our own salvation is the sin of "presumption." Pax Christi. <>< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 Circle, people don't realize it, but that phrase is SO vulgar. Could you edit it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 (edited) That makes me feel very sad for you. So, you rely basically on your own intellect to tell you what the Scriptures mean. With many interpretations out there, one can find interpretations to justify almost any sin, and call it good. It is a good thing I do not try to justify sin like that. You can't seem to get it into you head that I want to be more like Christ. I love doing things in Scripture, and it never bothers me to tell the truth, or to tell the gospel. I love seeing someone's face when they learn something new about God and go 'wow!'. This is the process of sanctification - that makes us love God and hate evil. If anything, I may twist Scripture a little to make it harder on myself. Where does the Bible tell you to do that? Where does the Bible state that it is the pillar and foundation of Truth? Well. Ya know - things like 'The Word of the Lord shall stand forever' or 'All Scripture is God-Breathed' and ya know, since you also agree it is inerrant... You have only one leg to stand on: Scripture. (and an altered Bible at that) We Catholics have three: Scripture, Apostolic Tradition, and a Holy Spirit guided Authority commissioned by Christ. Unfortunately, you base your Apostolic Tradition and the Holy Spirit guided authority off what I consider to be weak interpretations of Scripture. If you could agree that both are not shown from Scripture - you are on the weakest leg of all. These three stand together to support and present Truth, never competing, never contradicting. Hence, we understand that salvation isn't attained in a single one-time act, but it is rather a process which occurs over a lifetime... "And ye shall be hated of all men for My Name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved" (Matthew 10:22). Your verse emphasis's why we call it 'perseverance of the saints'. Because it is promised we will persevere to the end - just as Matthew 10:22 says. "...work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure"(Philippians 2:12-13) exactly - our salvation is God's work. God is the Judge Who decides who is saved and who is damned, not us. We believe overstepping our role and claiming our own salvation is the sin of "presumption." I agree completely! I don't tell anyone they are not saved or saved based on anything. I will let them know if they don't agree with what the Bible calls for to be saved they are not saved though! That is arguing against God - not me. Edited January 7, 2004 by Circle_Master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 i don't agree with what you say the bible calls for to be saved circle, in fact i whole-heartedly disagree. am i not saved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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