hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 If understood Mulls and Circle right on the "Eternal Security" thread, the Protestant view is that if someone has accepted Christ's Sacrifice and accepted that that Sacrifice happened for us, then no matter what else we do on Earth (pre-marital sex, murder, abortion) we are safe even if we do these things and do not repent of them and can expect to at the end of our Earthly lives spend eternity with the Lord of Holiness? Is this a correct statement of the general belief of the Protestants here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 (edited) that is correct for one who is saved Edited January 7, 2004 by Circle_Master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 wow.... i wish they would realize they were REDEEMED, not saved... for we must work out our salvation in fear and trembling. becoming Christian and being baptized redeems you of original sin and all the sins you have committed up until baptism, yet you are not completely eternally saved. you may be saved from all your previous sin, saved from original sin, but that's the definition of redeemed. to attain eternal salvation, you must work it out in fear and trembling. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 ok we can go back to the other thread now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Hyper, that's the general belief of all protestant churches. Of course the idea is that having first confessed, repented of your sins and accepted Jesus into your life, that is it, the guarentee of a place in heaven, there after you are free to live your life as you see fit without losing your place in heaven. Having gone through that process you refer to the bible as your guide as to how you might feel a christian should live their life - your own interpretation of what the verses you read might mean, or the interpretation of the pastor in the church you chose to join. It is a once saved, always saved doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 Then why on Earth do Protestants do any thing other than get people SAVED. If you're saved whhy does it matter whether or not you go to Church, PRAY, have polyamorous, multi-gendered, pan-species sex with EVERYBODY. You're washed in the Blood of the Lamb be as un-holy as you feel inclined to be. This I think more than anything is why I could never be a Protestant, I refuse to believe that Protestants actually believe this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 (edited) Then why on Earth do Protestants do any thing other than get people SAVED. If you're saved whhy does it matter whether or not you go to Church, PRAY, have polyamorous, multi-gendered, pan-species sex with EVERYBODY. You're washed in the Blood of the Lamb be as un-holy as you feel inclined to be. This I think more than anything is why I could never be a Protestant, I refuse to believe that Protestants actually believe this. I obey because I am in love with God and what He has done for me. His Holy Spirit works daily making me more like Him and I know that He is the best thing for me. That is the beauty of grace - it is so simple it can be too difficult to understand. Maybe you should be wondering why there are so many protestants who are deeply passionate and in love with Jesus Christ. If it is so incredibly odd as you think - what can explain all these people. I don't need a danger of losing salvation to obey Christ - because I am saved I want to obey Him. "To live is Christ and to die is gain" and that is how I will live my life. The world needs to know of His wondrous love and grace. That which can restore us to God so we may worship Him forever. Edited January 7, 2004 by Circle_Master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 (edited) Prots would say if you go committ all those sins after being saved, then your salvation wasn't real, you really didn't mean it. They have to account for all those backsliders somehow. This would account for people having to be resaved. :D Edited January 7, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Prots would say if you go committ all those sins after being saved, then your salvation wasn't real, you really didn't mean it. They have to account for all those backsliders somehow. That was completely uncalled for. I believe it because it is what I believe the Bible teaches. The Bible is my source for truth and that is the only source I have. If I find a passage and do a study on it and it seems to teach something different I change my theology. I let Scripture speak for itself. If I wanted to 'account' for those who fall away I would say you could lose your salvation. That post angered me Cmom - it is possibly the first to anger me except for maybe likos. Do not speak in such disrespect - show your charity, not just speak it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 (edited) Ooops, others have posted before I did! This is in response to your last post Hyper! Well, they do, that's it in a nutshell. Of course most would say that they want to live a life that is 'Christ like' ie they wouldn't want go out and committ murder etc, but the 'living the life' has no impact on their promise of heaven. That's not to say that a protestant wouldn't pray 'forgive me for my sins' after that initial prayer.....or so I imagine most protestants do, my experience anyway, but it doesn't alter the promise of heaven you believe you were given when you prayed it the first time. Actually this is a huge hurdle to get over in terms of the difference between catholic understanding and protestant understanding if you are a protestant converting to the catholic faith, but that's also because on the whole, the origins of that belief are not really discussed by most protestants so everyone beleives it's biblical. Incidently please note, although technically still a protestant, I'm not defending this position! Edited January 7, 2004 by Ellenita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 Circle, I'm gonna get all Bruce on ya now, you do not believe OSAS. You don't believe that Episcopal Bishop is on his way to Heaven (I'm not talkin' subjectively here, but objectively). Circle I feel about this like you feel about Unam Sanctum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Circle, I'm gonna get all Bruce on ya now, you do not believe OSAS. You don't believe that Episcopal Bishop is on his way to Heaven (I'm not talkin' subjectively here, but objectively). Circle I feel about this like you feel about Unam Sanctum. I'm not sure what you mean about the first statement (not familiar with the bishop) but I do get offended when someone criticizes me and says I believe something so I can 'account for something in the world'. I am passionately in love with Christ and my sole motivation in studying Scripture is to see what truth there is. I am getting off the board right now. I might explode when I see Cmom's ridiculous response she is probably writing right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 did i miss something? oh i did. y'all behave please. the gene robinson guy, the homosexual who's causing a SCHISM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 the gene robinson guy, the homosexual who's causing a SCHISM. oh, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Circle I don't recall addressing you personally, it was a general response. I wasn't the least disrespectful. Obviously you haven't spent time in prot chatrooms hearing them discuss backsliders and people who have gone from saved to sinful and what to do about them. I have. THere are so many varieties( Bruce called them flavors) of protestantism that while this may not personally apply to what YOU believe, it does apply to quite a few others. Hyper is referring to the Episcopal priest who recently became a Bishop after leaving his wife and living in a homosexual relatioaship for 14 years. It is splitting the Anglican Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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