HIV is a hoax

[dairygirl4u2c]

Below is a link to a scientific reubttal to aids, and a brief overview of the hoax that is HIV....


[url="http://www.rethinkaids.info/documents/Specialist%20Literature/Parleurop.Dec%208.doc"]http://www.rethinkaids.info/documents/Spec...rop.Dec%208.doc[/url]

[quote]I'll try to make this short. AIDS could be the biggest scam in medical history. There was a time when I believed what I heard in the media about medical issues and AIDS. However once I started reading about AIDS, I realized that some things just didn't add up. Alright, here we go.

AIDS does NOT exist. Even the existance of HIV is very, very questionable. In 1984 Dr. Gallo (aka Dr. Dumb****) annouced he discovered the cause of AIDS. Actually it was just a hypothesis.. and UNCOMFIRMED hypthothis at that. Yes that's right... he had no sound scientific data to validate his claim. Of course the US department of Health praised him and the media (my 2nd biggest hate behind conventional medicine) took off and ran with it also.

FACT: To this day, HIV has NEVER been isolated or purified as intact viral particles. There is no scientific data to validate "HIV" is even a virus.

FACT: Pharmaceutical companies acknowledge that HIV tests are unreliable and are not specific for HIV infection.

FACT: Many disorders can make you test positive for HIV: the common cold, the common flu, hemophilia, hepatitis, TB, and even pregnancy. There are many more things!

FACT: HIV is said to be a retorvirus. This is one of the things that initially caught my attention. Retroviruses are not cytotoxic!! But this is exactly what the experts say HIV does... killing immune cells. Retroviruses are not harmful. At any given moment you can have many of them living peacefully in your body.

So what happens if somebody tests HIV positive? Of course a doctor will recommend medication. There is a big side effect of the medication... full blown AIDS. AZT was an orginal medication used (and still might be) for HIV infection. Ok, remember for a minute that HIV is a retrovirus, but retroviruses can't kill cells. AZT was orginally used as a possible cancer drug. However since it killed off the test animals, it wasn't used on humans. Anways some idiot got the idea to use it on people who test positive for HIV. AZT never went through human trials. What do chemotherapy and cancer drugs do?? They kill cells! cancer cells as well as healthy cells unfortunately. And here is our cause of AIDS.

Hey, did you know that AIDS is not a separate disease? It is just a collection of previously known diseases. For example, if you test HIV positive and contract TB and die.. doctors will say you died of AIDS and not TB. Remember Ryan White? It was said he died of AIDS. The truth is in fact that he had hemophilia (which can cause you to test HIV positive) and died of a bad blood trasfusion reaction. But he will always go down as a victim of AIDS. [/quote]

[url="http://www.aliveandwell.org/"]http://www.aliveandwell.org/[/url]
[url="http://www.rethinkingaids.com/"]http://www.rethinkingaids.com/[/url]
[url="http://www.duesberg.com/"]http://www.duesberg.com/[/url]

[BC4Life]

idk, thats a little iffy. i mean, the guy could've been a little more formal in his proposal..

[Lahecil]

I'll believe it's a hoax when people stop dying.

[Era Might]

Call it whatever you want, but it's killing people by the millions.

[eddieloudog]

Ok. This is just the type of internet muck that keeps the brain-dead brain dead. I worked in a clinical Lab for 3 yrs and dealt with HIV and Hep C. We can isolate them, we can grow them, and we can denature, isolate and amplify the Virus. It has a definite RNA genome (which makes it hard to amplify and sequence). More over, each individual viron has a slightly different genetic sequence than the one sitting next to it. It has an awesome mutation rate as well as a replication rate. We know what cells they hide in and can isolate them from Human DNA when asked to. Even in the same patient, we can see different specific genetic spikes of virus with the change in drug regimen. AIDS is a syndrome of severe immune suppression. We see the same groups of symptoms in cancer and transplant patients on heavy immune suppressants.

In short, HIV is real and Abstinence is your only protection. Just because you don’t believe in something doesn’t mean that it isn’t real – or can kill you.

PS how old is this article?

[Fulton Sheen Warrior]

+JMJ+

[quote]I'll believe it's a hoax when people stop dying.[/quote]

I concur.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

AIDS is not like most retroviruses. Yes it exists.

[Era Might]

[quote name='eddieloudog' post='1042560' date='Aug 13 2006, 12:08 PM']
Ok. This is just the type of internet muck that keeps the brain-dead brain dead. I worked in a clinical Lab for 3 yrs and dealt with HIV and Hep C. We can isolate them, we can grow them, and we can denature, isolate and amplify the Virus. It has a definite RNA genome (which makes it hard to amplify and sequence). More over, each individual viron has a slightly different genetic sequence than the one sitting next to it. It has an awesome mutation rate as well as a replication rate. We know what cells they hide in and can isolate them from Human DNA when asked to. Even in the same patient, we can see different specific genetic spikes of virus with the change in drug regimen. AIDS is a syndrome of severe immune suppression. We see the same groups of symptoms in cancer and transplant patients on heavy immune suppressants.

In short, HIV is real and Abstinence is your only protection. Just because you don’t believe in something doesn’t mean that it isn’t real – or can kill you.

PS how old is this article?[/quote]
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[homeschoolmom]

FACT: This is one of the dumbest threads ever.

[dairygirl4u2c]

Well I didn't really believe it's a hoax. I believed it's possibly a hoax. I just thought the title was funny as something many would say who jump to conclusions. I like to pretend things are black and white sometimes too. You all make some compelling arguments.

That linked article, not the same as the pasted above, was written by a doctor in December 2003. not long ago. certainly more than three years ago being how long you worked in that lab. They say HIV has not been isolated, you say it has and then some.

Edited August 13, 2006 by dairygirl4u2c

[CoffeeCatholic]

so, ps: A quick test (yet inhumane, so it'll never actually happen) would be to take 100 people diagnosed with HIV. Give drugs to 50 of them and placebos to the other half. See what happens.

oh look, half of them died a whole lot quicker than the other half! Can you guess which?

yeah, so if you did this study, those are probably the results you would find. Because we can't control for all of the possible variables that would cause people to not take medications (religion, poverty, stupidity, depression, etc) there will never be a way to show that the medications actually help. But when a good friend has been diagnosed with HIV (2 strains) and givine 4 years to live, you learn quickly just how vital those non-placebo drugs can be.

[morostheos]

[quote name='CoffeeCatholic' post='1042978' date='Aug 13 2006, 11:13 PM']
so, ps: A quick test (yet inhumane, so it'll never actually happen) would be to take 100 people diagnosed with HIV. Give drugs to 50 of them and placebos to the other half. See what happens.

oh look, half of them died a whole lot quicker than the other half! Can you guess which?

yeah, so if you did this study, those are probably the results you would find. Because we can't control for all of the possible variables that would cause people to not take medications (religion, poverty, stupidity, depression, etc) there will never be a way to show that the medications actually help. But when a good friend has been diagnosed with HIV (2 strains) and givine 4 years to live, you learn quickly just how vital those non-placebo drugs can be.
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Actually, before any medicine is approved for use by the FDA they have to go through tests exactly like this. It's not really inhumane, because basically one group is treated as all current HIV patients are being treated, and another group is given the new drug to see if it will help. It's standard procedure. While all the possible variables can never be eliminated, they are usually taken into consideration and accounted for as best as reasonably possible.