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If you are outside the U.S. [b]PLEASE[/b] link us up with some websites so we can read your news about you, and your version of our news as well.

Charity improves with knowledge and understanding.
HELP US UNDERSTAND YOUR REALITIES. :)

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One of the problems is that nearly ever country on earth is run by nut cases that push their own agendas, Its out of control. We have but one King and that is Christ Jesus.

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misereremi

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Puellapaschalis, couldn't have said it better, totally agree. I have the temptation when reading some of the blatant generalisations about Europe to get vexed about it, but I know how insulated and twisted the media is.

Plus the bad news always sells better than the good, wherever you are in the world. There is a lot of anti US sentiment in the rest of the world because of the actions of the US government. There are many labels placed on the US from the rest of the world which are far worse than "crazy" and the generalisations are unfair and misrepresent the good American people.

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1046354' date='Aug 19 2006, 01:52 AM']
If you are outside the U.S. [b]PLEASE[/b] link us up with some websites so we can read your news about you, and your version of our news as well.

Charity improves with knowledge and understanding.
HELP US UNDERSTAND YOUR REALITIES. :)
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Definitely agree. I read a lot of magazines from Italy (Padova, Rome and Gargano) which aren't online. I'm not sure how to make links cliccable but a couple of our sources are

www.thetablet.co.uk (UK based)
www.zenit.org (international)

We get news from a secular perspective mostly from www.newsbbc.co.uk, and newspapers like The Independent and The Guardian.

May God help us all, every country has its own trials in these dark times.

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[quote]www.thetablet.co.uk (UK based)[/quote]

The Tablet often has articles which are quite liberal in their interpretation of Catholic teaching...... they are well written but be warned, they could raise your blood pressure!


The Catholic Herald is more faithful in it's interpretation of Catholic teaching, but is also conservative in it's general politics.....

[url="http://www.catholicherald.co.uk"]www.catholicherald.co.uk [/url]



It might be useful to remember some history when imagining that Europe is a lost cause...... it must have seemed like that to Catholics living in England in the reign of Elizabeth I given the persecution, but the Church prevailed....... and continues to attract converts today! ;)

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[quote name='Ellenita' post='1048270' date='Aug 23 2006, 12:04 AM']
The Tablet often has articles which are quite liberal in their interpretation of Catholic teaching...... they are well written but be warned, they could raise your blood pressure!
The Catholic Herald is more faithful in it's interpretation of Catholic teaching, but is also conservative in it's general politics.....

[url="http://www.catholicherald.co.uk"]www.catholicherald.co.uk [/url]
It might be useful to remember some history when imagining that Europe is a lost cause...... it must have seemed like that to Catholics living in England in the reign of Elizabeth I given the persecution, but the Church prevailed....... and continues to attract converts today! ;)
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True to all of that! :bigclap: (I didn't know the Herald was online, thanks!)

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[quote name='curtins' post='1048283' date='Aug 23 2006, 12:11 AM']
I'm not saying there arn't good people and good things in Europe but for the most part things arnt' looking up
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As someone who lives in Europe I will stand up and say that your last assertion in that post is not true. There is an undercurrent of something very exciting amongst the people I know here personally, both in the Netherlands and in the UK (where I was born - hence I am not a real Dutchie). Moreover, I know people in other countries in Europe who share the same new with me when we speak with each other. People are seeing the God-shaped hole in their lives and are actively seeking He who will fill it. I know half a dozen men in my own diocese (in one of the most Protestant and most secular parts of the Netherlands) who are either in seminary or in discernment in that direction. I know at least two generations of priests in the UK who are truly [i]alive[/i] with this faith that has "come down to us from the Apostles". I know more than ten people within my "circle" - people I communicate with regularly - who are in discernment to the consecrated life. I keep in regular contact with people I knew from school who are in holy, blessed and happy marriages. And good Lord, I cannot count the people I'm blessed to know who live brilliant lives of holiness, hidden in their homes and jobs, who can't get to Mass during the week and rue the fact, and the beauty of whose lives other people (including myself) can only catch a glimmer of.

As one example, I would point you to the history article of the Community of St. John. They were founded in the mid-seventies in [i]Switzerland[/i] which, last time I checked, was in this continent which is, to quote, [i]"as good as gone".[/i]

There are three ways of looking at a situation. You can be impartial and objective, which has the advantage of not really favouring anyone. You can be (excessively) biased towards emphasising the negative. You can be (excessively) biased towards emphasising the positive. I tend to sway between impartiality and emphasising the positive. Too many people in the USA and Canada, to my mind, veer much too much towards the other end of the scale.

To do that is to do us - all of us, not just Europeans - an injustice. To do that is to assume that Evil will prevail, to the detriment of all of mankind. Or do people think that Europe is dispensible, and that North America (et. al.) will carry on just fine, once St. Peter's is moved to (say) Connecticut? To do that is akin to meeting a person who is recovering from anorexia and giving up any kind of hope that he will lead a healthy and happy life again.

I am not asking the USAns and Canadians here to move to Europe to fix all our problems (unless the Spirit should want you to, in which case I think we already know the chain of command here). I am asking for a decrease in the negativity - which is much more prevalent than on Phatmass, to give the people here their due - and an increase in prayers. We may all have [i]vrijheid van meningsuiting[/i] (freedom of expression), but if we have a beef with someone or something, our first sounding-board should be [b]God[/b], not other people.

As for the news sources I use:
secular: [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/[/url] or [url="http://www.reuters.co.uk/"]http://www.reuters.co.uk/[/url]

Catholic: [url="http://www.zenit.org/"]http://www.zenit.org/[/url] , [url="http://www.indcatholicnews.com/"]http://www.indcatholicnews.com/[/url] , [url="http://www.rorate.com/"]http://www.rorate.com/[/url] , [url="http://www.rkk.nl/"]http://www.rkk.nl/[/url] , [url="http://www.katholisch.de/"]http://www.katholisch.de/[/url]

Love and prayers,

PP

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misereremi

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Yes PP! I know what you are saying about the undercurrents! This weekend hundreds of us young people will be at Walsingham. England is the dowry of Our Lady, when things seem grim I never forget that. :)

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Europs and America are going downhill because of a state of mind plaguing the people that tries to conciliate light with darkness and truth with error. A certain group of people im not particulary fond of are trying to "re-paganize" the world and undo the works of the Church.

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[quote name='misereremi' post='1048709' date='Aug 23 2006, 10:43 AM']
Yes PP! I know what you are saying about the undercurrents! This weekend hundreds of us young people will be at Walsingham. England is the dowry of Our Lady, when things seem grim I never forget that. :)
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Hurray for Walsingham! I've never been there but have heard much about the place; many friends of mine have visited there and have wonderful tales to tell of how Our Lady has touched them and brought them closer to her Son.

Until I moved to Canada I didn't really take the "Dowry of Mary" bit seriously; I took it for granted, if you like. But living here especially has brought me to a real appreciation and understanding of it - yes, principally because the Netherlands doesn't have something similar! So SS Wilibrord, Boniface and all their gang have been hearing [i]a lot[/i] from me over the past few years ;)

Have a wonderful and blessed time in Walsingham and please, if you can, tell us a little about your experiences when you get back. Is it a Youth 2000 thing? I got semi-involved with Y2k a few years ago, and looking back can see just how much it's needed.

Love and prayers,

PP

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[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1041832' date='Aug 12 2006, 12:19 AM']
Has Europe Gone Crazy?
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yeah, circa 1789.

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