How heretical is my course text list? -- Marxism and Religion

[Justified Saint]

The romance of orthodoxy and the drama of heresy (I'd give it a 4 or 5 at most):

1. [i]The Communist Manifesto [/i] (by you know who)

2. [i]Truth and Method [/i] (Gadamer)

3. [i]Introducing Liberation Theology[/i]

4. [i]On Religion [/i] (Caputo)

5. [i]God as Otherwise than Being[/i] (scholastics and metaphysicians beware)

And a couple of others that I can't remember. I can't wait to take the class!

List your unorthodox books here and let the revolution begin!

[Laudate_Dominum]

wow, that's pretty bad. Is your professor Catholic in any way?

btw, where do you go to school? Villanova or something?

oh, and I'd give it a 7.7 on the puke my guts out scale.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Actually, my introductory religion class has a solid lineup! I am stoked!

[Justified Saint]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1040296' date='Aug 9 2006, 11:53 AM']
wow, that's pretty bad. Is your professor Catholic in any way?

btw, where do you go to school? Villanova or something?

oh, and I'd give it a 7.7 on the puke my guts out scale.
[/quote]

Lol, I knew I wouldn't get away easily with a 4 or 5. I guess Marxism is a guilty pleasure of mine. Actually, as a Benedict-ine (Ratzinger style) I must find it rather distasteful -- I believe he compared it to Satan tempting Jesus to turn stones into bread.

I don't think my prof is Catholic in any way, but I don't know. And I go to ASU (Arizona).

But come now, Gadamer! It's like reading [i]Being and Time[/i]; you can't go wrong -- unless you believe in God

Actually, I am really looking forward to reading Gadamer's -- there is a reason why it's considered one of the most important texts of the 20th century.

Edited August 10, 2006 by Justified Saint

[Fides_et_Ratio]

scary book list... scary...

I know 2 people at ASU: one's a super smartish nerdy dude from HS (he's graduating this year, I think) and the other is a more liberal girl that was in my youth group (a sophomore). lol.

[missionseeker]

Mine is good.

Introduction to the Catechism - Ratzinger/Shoborn
CCC
Credo of the People of God -Paul VI
To Hold and Teach the Catholic Faith- Dr. Kelly Bowring
Ignatius press Bible
Aguinas Catechism

Also for History
How the Catholic Church built Western Civilation - Thomas Woods

And Philosophy
Confessions- St. Augustine.

[Justified Saint]

[quote name='missionseeker' post='1040649' date='Aug 9 2006, 08:21 PM']
Mine is good.

Introduction to the Catechism - Ratzinger/Shoborn
CCC
Credo of the People of God -Paul VI
To Hold and Teach the Catholic Faith- Dr. Kelly Bowring
Ignatius press Bible
Aguinas Catechism

Also for History
How the Catholic Church built Western Civilation - Thomas Woods

And Philosophy
Confessions- St. Augustine.
[/quote]

What course(s) is that?

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

What school is that? I wish I had that kinda lineup.

Edited August 10, 2006 by thedude

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Justified Saint' post='1040506' date='Aug 9 2006, 07:19 PM']
Lol, I knew I wouldn't get away easily with a 4 or 5. I guess Marxism is a guilty pleasure of mine. Actually, as a Benedict-ine (Ratzinger style) I must find it rather distasteful -- I believe he compared it to Satan tempting Jesus to turn stones into bread.

I don't think my prof is Catholic in any way, but I don't know. And I go to ASU (Arizona).

But come now, Gadamer! It's like reading [i]Being and Time[/i]; you can't go wrong -- unless you believe in God

Actually, I am really looking forward to reading Gadamer's -- there is a reason why it's considered one of the most important texts of the 20th century.
[/quote]
The Marx-Engels text probably bothered me the least on that list (I tend to think that every educated person should be at least familiar with the manifesto, if not with das kapital and others). And the Gadamer text is pretty much a must read for anyone interested in hermeneutics. My problem is with the lack of balance in the reading list. It is one-sided and a bit creepy. Caputo makes my skin crawl (and I've talked to him in real life so I'm not just speaking of his books). It seems like this school would like to brain wash you into being some kind of post-modernist.

Oh, and I'm not familiar with the text "God as Otherwise than Being", but it sounds typically post-modern. I suppose it has something to do with Levinas and is probably just another ghastly attempt at postmodernizing theology.

And don't think that I'm a total medieval, I wouldn't have serious problems with that reading list if it included more sources to balance things out. I assume the professor has great faith in the dogmas of post-modern continental philosophy. To my mind this is a bad thing, although if given a choice between this and the analytic traditions, I would probably be forced to admit a preference to the former.

Oh, and I have an old friend who lost her faith as ASU, and she was a philosophy major. Be on your guard my friend.

[Justified Saint]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1040957' date='Aug 10 2006, 11:21 AM']
The Marx-Engels text probably bothered me the least on that list (I tend to think that every educated person should be at least familiar with the manifesto, if not with das kapital and others). And the Gadamer text is pretty much a must read for anyone interested in hermeneutics. My problem is with the lack of balance in the reading list. It is one-sided and a bit creepy. Caputo makes my skin crawl (and I've talked to him in real life so I'm not just speaking of his books). It seems like this school would like to brain wash you into being some kind of post-modernist.

Oh, and I'm not familiar with the text "God as Otherwise than Being", but it sounds typically post-modern. I suppose it has something to do with Levinas and is probably just another ghastly attempt at postmodernizing theology.

And don't think that I'm a total medieval, I wouldn't have serious problems with that reading list if it included more sources to balance things out. I assume the professor has great faith in the dogmas of post-modern continental philosophy. To my mind this is a bad thing, although if given a choice between this and the analytic traditions, I would probably be forced to admit a preference to the former.

Oh, and I have an old friend who lost her faith as ASU, and she was a philosophy major. Be on your guard my friend.
[/quote]

Yeah, that all sounds about right. And good choice taking the continental over the analytic

I've read some excerpts from Caputo before and from that little exposure he does seem a little on the creepy side (like he is trying to be an unorthodox version of Chesterton which is just silly).

I've read GAOTB before (and met the author), but yeah its basically "death of God" theology. I should have mentioned that it is subtitled "Towards a Semantics of the Gift". Now doesn't a subtitle like that just make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? I am looking forward to reading it again especially in a seminar style setting so I can rehash his critique of classical theism.

Personally, I appreciate many of the lessons of "postmodernism", but I am not mistaken about its "deep affinities" (to use J. Smith's phrase) between it and Christianity (affinities for sure, but deeply I am less sure). That and on an educational level, taking seminars with this certain professor (with these kinds of books) has really helped me read books better and appreciate education more. Not that this is unique to a certain type of thinking though, but given its strong hermenutical tradition, continental/postmodern philosophy obviously strengthens some of those values.

And thanks for the ASU prediction, very encouraging

[stargirl3:16]

Here's what I've got. It seems pretty solid, but it's nice to have a second opinion.

Catholic Social Teaching:

[u]Compendium of the Social Teaching of the Church[/u]
[u]Living Justice[/u] by Thomas Massaro
[u]Responses to 101 Questions on Catholic Social Teaching[/u]


Theology of Christian Marriage:

[u]The Four Loves[/u] by C.S. Lewis
[u]Love: Christian Romance, Marriage, Friendship[/u] by Diogenes Allen
[u]Marriage and Sacrament[/u] by Michael Lawler
[u]Humanae Vitae[/u] by Pope Paul VI

[chris]

Wow...Such humanisim and atheisim


But, such good writing. Marx's structure in his book was smart but, couldn't hold water. Edited August 11, 2006 by Convert4888

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='stargirl3:16' post='1041174' date='Aug 10 2006, 06:40 PM']
Here's what I've got. It seems pretty solid, but it's nice to have a second opinion.

Catholic Social Teaching:

[u]Compendium of the Social Teaching of the Church[/u]
[u]Living Justice[/u] by Thomas Massaro
[u]Responses to 101 Questions on Catholic Social Teaching[/u]
Theology of Christian Marriage:

[u]The Four Loves[/u] by C.S. Lewis
[u]Love: Christian Romance, Marriage, Friendship[/u] by Diogenes Allen
[u]Marriage and Sacrament[/u] by Michael Lawler
[u]Humanae Vitae[/u] by Pope Paul VI
[/quote]
Another solid lineup. What school are you at?

[missionseeker]

[quote name='Justified Saint' post='1040854' date='Aug 10 2006, 09:16 AM']
What course(s) is that?
[/quote]

Theology 101
History 101
and Philosophy 101

(i'm a freshman)

[quote name='thedude' post='1040929' date='Aug 10 2006, 12:52 PM']
What school is that? I wish I had that kinda lineup.
[/quote]

[url="http://www.southerncatholic.org/"]http://www.southerncatholic.org/[/url]

[missionseeker]

HIS 101 Origins of the Modern World to 1600

PHI 101: The Philosophical Quest
This introductory course explores the original vocation of philosophy. We begin with several early dialogues of Plato and ask the following questions: What is virtue? What is justice? What is the best life? How are we to live? We pursue this inquiry further through an examination of Plato’s Republic and Aristotle’s Ethics. Since the theme of philosophy is found in the ultimate purpose of personal existence, we conclude with a reading of St. Augustine’s Confessions, examining the interplay of faith and reason in his personal inquiry into these questions


THE 101: Introduction to Catholicism and Sacred Theology