dairygirl4u2c Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 When President Bush vetod stem cell research, he made a ceremony of it by gathering "snow flake children" and their parents. These children were formerly in test tubes soon to be discarded, but were bought by concerned parents. Of course the presense of the children were to demonstrate why stem cell research was wrong. My question that I open to phatmass is why doesn't the CC and other christians pool together monies in order to buy these babies in test tubes before they are discarded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAF Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I don't claim to have answer, but I do have a question, after we bought the test tube babies and helped to furthur finance a cause that we see as wrong, what would we do with them? What would you expect the Church to do with them that these labs wouldn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 [quote][b]Donum Vitae[/b] In consequence of the fact that they have been produced in vitro, those embryos which are not transferred into the body of the mother and are called “spare” are exposed to an absurd fate, with no possibility of their being offered safe means of survival which can be licitly pursued.[/quote] This was written in the 1980's though, perhaps before the prospect of "embryo adoption" was around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 (edited) ** Edited August 8, 2006 by thedude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 The problem of frozen embryos is a dilema. To keep them on ice seems cruel. One cannot dispose of them by burying them as they are not dead and of course you cannot kill them. Implanting them seems logical but unfortunately today with current methods that means causing the death of some of them. There is no conscience free way to handle them as I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted August 8, 2006 Author Share Posted August 8, 2006 (edited) although not really natural quote unquote, it'd seem implanting them is not intentially killing them if they die, so it's sort of a natural death. that would make keeping them frozen simply cruel. of course it's a difference in taste that the test tube babies cannot make for themselvs and reasonable catholics even would disagree on. here is my source btw with some thought provoking implications, not necessarily right, but definitely thought provoking... (meant seriously) [url="http://www.chortler.com/terrorable.shtml"]http://www.chortler.com/terrorable.shtml[/url] ps www.chortler.com/gayat27.shtml Edited August 8, 2006 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeds Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1039802' date='Aug 8 2006, 07:51 PM'] When President Bush vetod stem cell research, he made a ceremony of it by gathering "snow flake children" and their parents. These children were formerly in test tubes soon to be discarded, but were bought by concerned parents. Of course the presense of the children were to demonstrate why stem cell research was wrong. My question that I open to phatmass is why doesn't the CC and other christians pool together monies in order to buy these babies in test tubes before they are discarded? [/quote] Presumably because it would be impossible to find thousands of women willing to be used as surrogate mothers for the embryos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted August 9, 2006 Author Share Posted August 9, 2006 there's always a price... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 implanting these embryo's to save them is a good thing to do, and if some of them die then it is certainly double effect because there was no intrinsically evil action-- you were trying to save their life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted August 9, 2006 Author Share Posted August 9, 2006 Plus, whatever the case, whether freezing them or implanting them, if you don't do either, they will be discarded. So the question can be if you're not for implantation, then what about buying them for freezing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 it's a good idea. I don't know if the Church in America is currently in the financial situation to be the right candidate for the project... someone should start an organization. the question is: would these places sell us the frozen embryos in large quantities, and could we get women to volunteer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 It's putting the Church in a bit of a hostage situatin though. People might simply start creating embryos because the Church will give the money for them. The sale of human life? Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 What about Donum Vitae saying there is no licit means to save such embryos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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