Bruce S Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 The End is coming...the END IS COMING.... Some of my more "interesting Christian friends" waste an awful lot of time and energy with this ... And that Antichrist fellow, who he/she [i still think it is Hillary...grin] is consumes so much speculation, discussion and time that you would NEVER believe how much it has become the focus of their lives. So, I have been [against my better judgement I might add] looking over some of these sites, and of course, you all know how certain Protestants swear the Pope IS the Antichrist and all that, so we needn't go over that little peccadillio of theirs. So, where does the Antichrist fit into all of this? I think a little Catholic perspective might be worthwhile. [Document dumps encouraged on this on, I would love some links and pointers too] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I guess you know my stance - being I am pretrib-premil. I would be interested in the Catholic stance - I suppose it would be from an amill perspective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 5, 2004 Author Share Posted January 5, 2004 I'm holding in the Jesuit angle for later....grin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 In a nutshell, Circle. Christ will come 1 more time. Period. We will not be any more forewarned than with His promise that He will return in Glory. We must always be ready to meet Him because at any second, either Jesus could arrive, or we could leave to meet Him. All this other speculation is besides the point and is mostly unscriptural. For each and everyone of us, our meeting with Jesus is sure to happen, whether we all are called Home at the same second when the world ends, or we have a unique time. The Catholic Church frowns upon the preoccupation with the "end times" because it tends to lead some people to not enjoy the joy and happiness of this Life that is God's gift to us. It diminshes our concerns for those yet to come, because they "know" there will be nobody else. It's proper etiquette. We're all here temporarilly as if we're enjoying a nice resort hotel until we leave to go Home. But be sure you do your part to leave the resort a little nicer to find it, because we don't know for sure someone will be checking in after we've left. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsFrozen Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Hi, Bruce.. I am actually very wary of this topic. I grew up living near a Baptist woman who was REALLY into the whole End Times/Rapture thing. I mean, you want to talk about consumed! Not a day that I saw her would go by without her somehow making this the topic of conversation. She was extraordinarily anti-Catholic (Jack Chick was her hero--kid you not, she used to give me his tracts) and would constantly tell me that if my family and I didn't leave the Church and repent, we would go to hell, be visited by demons, yadda yadda yadda.. Anyhow, looking back, I get a very unholy feeling from her, and from all of this Rapture talk. I honestly think she believed she had our best interest at heart, but she was very blinded by her anti-Catholicism and all this. For instance, 12 years ago when I was 12, she swore to me that the end of the world would be here within 5 years. Then it was Y2K. And I'm sure it's been several things since then. I run into a lot of Fundamentalists who are like this, who allow themselves to be consumed, and I truly believe that this is a sin. Jesus tells us that we will know not the day or the hour, but we are to live like he's coming in 10 minutes, you know? Not try to make every little thing into the end of the world. My mother-in-law is like this as well, but to a lesser extent than the lady I spoke of before. Her eyes literally light up whenever something about the End Times is brought up. Anyhow, I don't know when the Antichrist is coming, or who he is, but I'll agree that Hilary is a good bet! God bless! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsFrozen Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Hi, JasJis.. Well said and I agree. God bless.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 5, 2004 Author Share Posted January 5, 2004 The Catholic Church frowns upon the preoccupation with the "end times" because it tends to lead some people to not enjoy the joy and happiness of this Life that is God's gift to us. It diminshes our concerns for those yet to come, because they "know" there will be nobody else. Eeek. Shaking head here. I *agree* 100% with this one, totally. I know people that live for the END, grin, every day they are somewhat dissapointed that the world didn't end this week. Odd ducks those. They listen to people like Jack Van Impe [ a verifiable memory genius, the man can at will recite any and all verse from memory, like a machine ] but who hasn't got a CLUE that he is instructed not to even do that in the first place by Jesus. I'm going with the rule book here, it will come when it comes. But MY "End Time" will most certainly come, and that is the one I think I will worry about. "Chicken Little" isn't right you know.... PS: What will happen to Christian BEST SELLER books if they can't write about the END OF THE WORLD? There goes the cottage industry.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Hi, JasJis.. Well said and I agree. God bless.. Senora! hola, mi amiga! :tiphat: Thank you for the compliment. I'll try to maintain a high standard and get another! (I'm saving up for a cup of coffe at dunkin donuts. Keep 'em comming...) :rolling: (And I've enjoyed reading your posts as well! You are a wonderful addition to phatmass!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookofjohn Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I would like to add an interesting bit to this Anti-Christ thread.. ^_^ If I remembered accurately, according to the Cathecism of the Catholic Church, before the second coming of Christ there is going to be a great persecution by the Evil One.. or something of that sort. So that's one to ponder about.. P.S.: I'll put in the reference when I found where it is in the Cathecism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 The Churches stance is that many of the events that has do to with the end times, like in Revelations have already happened, Like Ceasar Nero=666, the romans destroying the temple in jerusalem(The fall of Babylon) I think is what Scott Hahn teaches. I don't understand where they get the future events from. The Only thing i expect is Christ's second coming in the future. Which will be the rapture of the Church and the Last judgement. Catholic smarty pantaloons correct me if i'm wrong. The Book of Revelation was also written in Kabbalistic language (Kabbalah is one the un-written Oral traditions of Judaism) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 i thought catholics didn't believe in the rapture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 i thought catholics didn't believe in the rapture? In a pre-tribulation sense (which is regarded as "The Rapture"), no. We believe when Christ comes (Second coming), we will be taken up and the end of the world will end there. Not a 7 year dark period, where an Anti-Christ rises up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Me and my mom gets in a heated debate over this. She claims that Jesus will return and take the chosen, leaving behind the unchosen, and Satan will reign for a thousand years. The only way to make it to heaven after that time is if you refuse the mark on the hand and get your head chopped off :bugeyes: what an imagination that woman has. say..that reminds me, I need to create me a 'Left Behind' Will. God Bless, CatholicAndFanatical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 In a pre-tribulation sense (which is regarded as "The Rapture"), no. We believe when Christ comes (Second coming), we will be taken up and the end of the world will end there. Not a 7 year dark period, where an Anti-Christ rises up. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 oh ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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