cmotherofpirl Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Hey Bruce, what do you think of earrings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 I obviously not bruce, but I think earings on men make them look like a pirate . . . I don't mind them on women . .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 OK, not to get off topic or anything, but thinking about the whole Leviticus verse got me thinking about how/when/if the Old Testament law plays into our lives now. I mean, that verse about tattooing is smack dab in the middle of "do not clip your hair at the temples, or trim the edges of your beard" and "you shall not degrade your daughter by making a prostitute of her." This has always confused me. I mean, obviously, I'm not going to give my daughter as a prostitute. (Or I wouldn't, if I had one). But I don't know many men that obey that bit about not clipping their hair at the temples or trimming the edges of their beards. (And that verse doesn't apply to me. At least for now. :D ) So where does that leave us? How much attention do I need to pay to the Old Testament law? What, if any, requirements does it place on me today? Sojourner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Nice group. Here is their website and forum if it at all interests you. http://www.bikersforchrist.org/ http://forums.delphiforums.com/bikersforchrist/messages Funny you should mention the xtat and Bikers for Christ websites, the tattoo discussion has come up on the Christian cyclist section of www.cycleforums.com: http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/showthre...?threadid=29973 http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/showthre...p?threadid=9671 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 check out the xtat webpage - it has a nice article on earrings and tattoo's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaky Chik Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 "Since body art is still not mainstream, having marks on your body that you put there on purpose shows the world your rebellious and unconventional nature". (Jean-Chris Miller, The Body Art Book : A Complete, Illustrated Guide to Tattoos, Piercings, and Other Body Modifications, p. 32) "In this culture, a tattooed person is still looked at as a rebel, as someone who has very visibly stepped out of the bounds of normal society, . . ."(Michelle Delio, Tattoo: The Exotic Art of Skin Decoration, p. 75) "Unquestionably tattoos are socially unacceptable." (Ronald Scutt, Art, Sex and Symbol, 1974, p. 179) Firstly, please note, i've only read the first few posts so sorry if someone has alreayd said this! Interesting... Jesus was a rebel... He went totally against everything society stood for... Jesus stepped out of the bounds of normal society... and some of the stuff He did... well, that was rather socially unacceptable!!! Also, please note... those other leviticus verses... they are all to do with sexual acts.... the NT constantly talks about being sexually pure, only sleeping with your husband/wife etc... so... the NT DOES talk about those laws that God forbids... it just all comes under the same umbrella... hey, hehehhee, how's your haircut? It's interesting to note that the verse BEFORE the one you mentioned says... " 'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard. " (Lev 19:27) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freaky Chik Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 (edited) :) oops Edited January 6, 2004 by Freaky Chik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 6, 2004 Author Share Posted January 6, 2004 Hey Bruce, what do you think of earrings? Excellent question. And I know "the trap" this sets. Frankly, I like them, grin. However..... The countervailing "thou shall not "cut"" and circumcision? Just like earrings. So, I'm sticking with just discussing some VERY interesting dialogue. I don't pretend to know the nitty gritty and itsy bitsies, but do know that tattooing does have a VERY seamy underbelly in history, and the proponents of tattooing know that, and actually EXTOLL that side of rebellion and the occult. Hey, I frankly don't really CARE if people get tattooed, nor have statues, nor rape and pillage for that matter. Just so long as it doesn't affect ME, my community, or myself or family. Sin, is really a matter, generally between God and the sinner. I just try to read "the Book" read the t[small t]raditons, and place what I find in both into some frame of understandable basis for life. And for me, now, here, and reading all of this material, I think that we would be better off if this were understood in the light of the prohibition, now that is just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Firstly, please note, i've only read the first few posts so sorry if someone has alreayd said this! Interesting... Jesus was a rebel... He went totally against everything society stood for... Jesus stepped out of the bounds of normal society... and some of the stuff He did... well, that was rather socially unacceptable!!! Also, please note... those other leviticus verses... they are all to do with sexual acts.... the NT constantly talks about being sexually pure, only sleeping with your husband/wife etc... so... the NT DOES talk about those laws that God forbids... it just all comes under the same umbrella... hey, hehehhee, how's your haircut? It's interesting to note that the verse BEFORE the one you mentioned says... " 'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard. " (Lev 19:27) So how do you square that, freaky, with Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law? That is hardly the image of a rebel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 I haven't read all four pages, just the first and then this... So probably someone has already mentioned that tatooing isn't mutiliating. Mutiliation would consist of cutting and destroying something, such as surgical sterilization of healthy reproductive organs. A healthy man having a vasectomy, or a healthy woman having a tubal ligation or hysterectomy for the purpose of "family planning," is contrary to God's law. I don't have any tatoos, don't want any, but don't really see them as evil or damning, especially if the image on the skin is glorifying God! Pax Christi. <>< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Excellent question. And I know "the trap" this sets. Frankly, I like them, grin. However..... The countervailing "thou shall not "cut"" and circumcision? Just like earrings. So, I'm sticking with just discussing some VERY interesting dialogue. I don't pretend to know the nitty gritty and itsy bitsies, but do know that tattooing does have a VERY seamy underbelly in history, and the proponents of tattooing know that, and actually EXTOLL that side of rebellion and the occult. Hey, I frankly don't really CARE if people get tattooed, nor have statues, nor rape and pillage for that matter. Just so long as it doesn't affect ME, my community, or myself or family. Sin, is really a matter, generally between God and the sinner. I just try to read "the Book" read the t[small t]raditons, and place what I find in both into some frame of understandable basis for life. And for me, now, here, and reading all of this material, I think that we would be better off if this were understood in the light of the prohibition, now that is just me. lol. it wasn't a trap, it was a question. Is everythnig a conspiracy to you? So if something has a seamy past, it cannot be redeemed? I suppose you avaoid Halloween like the plague... You think getting tattooed, having statues, and raping and pilllaging are equivalent? THere is no difference to you? So its ok for people to rape and pillage but just not in your neighborhood? So sin doesn't affect you if its someone elses? So sin has no detremental effect on society? So if a drunk driver runs down somebody else's kid is ok as long as its not your kid? So the sin of abortion or racism is ok as long as you are personnally un-affected? Do you think the prohibitions of the OT has any effect on Christianity? Should they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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