Lil Red Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Via [url="http://www.dawneden.com/2006/07/would-you-like-fries-with-that.html"]The Dawn Patrol[/url] [i]"When we thought about the future of abortion, we knew it had to include many different perspectives and experiences. We also knew that the interesting questions were not about legal rights or access, but about the quality of the abortion experience. We realized that the question about abortion for the 21st century had to be: “How do you want your abortion?”[/i] That's Margaret R. Johnson, writing in 2002 as president of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, and Claire Keyes, executive director of Pittsburgh abortion clinic Allegheny Reproductive Health Center, writing in their essay "[url="http://www.alleghenyreproductive.com/fantasy.html"]How Do You Want Your Abortion[/url]", and, in their words, [i]"imagining a utopian world where each of us constructs how we would like abortion—indeed, all pregnancy experiences—to be."[/i] The essay is on the abortion-advocating[url="http://www.abortionconversation.com/"] Abortion Conversation Project[/url] site, as well as the Allegheny center's site (where its URL calls it "[url="http://www.alleghenyreproductive.com/fantasy.html"]fantasy.html[/url]"). Following are excerpts from Johnson's and Keyes' hopeful vision, sent to me by Alicia of [url="http://fructusventris.stblogs.org/"]Fructus Ventris[/url]. Your comments are most welcome. The authors begin with a series of imaginary "packages," which they present as futuristic ideals (but don't take my word for it; [url="http://www.alleghenyreproductive.com/fantasy.html"]read them in context[/url]): [i]3. The Family Package-- This is an important decision in your life and of course you want your loved ones around you!! You can be accompanied through every phase of this process by the person you choose. Counseling is available for all family members and includes training and suggestions for them to participate in your care. Flowers, breakfast in bed, baby-sitting, just tell us what you want and we'll pass it along. We stress support and coping skills before, during, and after your abortion. Choice of abortion pill (additional $100) or surgical abortion. $650. 4. DIY (Do-It-Yourself)-- Are you the kind of person who does a lot of research? Someone who is knows what you want? Do you want to avoid the hustle bustle--and waiting time-- of a busy clinic? Would you like your abortion in the comfort of your own home? Take a pill today and choose when you bleed anytime in the next three days, safely, completely, in your own home. Full instructions and educational video included and our 24 hour advice line is open to you. Available only in early pregnancy. Some restrictions apply. Like everything else you do, have this experience on your own terms! $550. 5. Deluxe Spa Treatment-- Get the luxury and personal attention you deserve!! Check into our special suite at the Jetson Hotel where you will meet with our experienced guide, who will be available to you for your abortion experience. After extensive orientation for you and your partner or family, enjoy a relaxing massage and jacuzzi. Full emotional support is available to you and those close to you, tailored to your needs. A full range of sedatives and pain relievers to choose from make for a pain free procedure by our experienced and friendly physician. Recover back in your suite and choose from 3 relaxing options--a foot massage, a mud pack facial, or a rebalancing of your shakras by our expert Reiki master. Then, enjoy room service from a 4 star restaurant. Our guide will be available to you to review aftercare and discuss any emotional issues. Full cable and choice of video entertainment available, and enjoy our feather pillow beds for a good night's sleep. $3000 6. Spiritual Journey-- Ending a pregnancy is not just a physical act but also a spiritual process. Meet with our spirit healer and guide a week in advance to plan the ritual journey that will meet your spiritual needs. Native American (Taino clan tradition), Eastern philosophy, nature-inspired (pagan), or custom designed ceremonies are available to you and to the support people who will accompany you on your spirit quest. Or, design your own rituals with the help of our experienced guides. Check in to our mountain retreat Friday night for a ritual cleansing and spiritual preparation. Have the surgical procedure when you are ready for a separation of paths with the spirit child within you. Miscarriage with medicines and herbs is also available early in pregnancy. A follow-up ritual a year and a day later is included in this package. $5000 7. Full Emotional Support-- Deciding to end a pregnancy may well be the most difficult emotional crisis a woman or couple may face. Our experienced counselor will spend 2 hours with you and support person of your choice, and your appointment will be scheduled 2-7 days after that. The counselor will explore relationship and identity issues, personal goals, religious and spiritual concerns and offer interactive skill building to you and your significant other. A choice of 3 self help books are included with additional suggestions for grief work and emotional aftercare. The procedure will be performed by an experienced and kind physician in privacy with your choice of pain relievers and sedatives. Or, choose to miscarry with medicine taken at home. ($100 extra.) Two follow up visits with our licensed and experienced counselors are available one week and one month after the procedure. Consultation by phone with the clergy or spiritual leader from your belief system included, if desired. $1000. 8. Discount Package-- A basic "no frills" package is available for those women who don't need ambiance or additional support. No additional sedation is available without additional cost. Licensed physicians perform the safe surgery in less than 5 minutes. Expect delays and waiting time. No support people allowed in counseling or medical areas. If you want to spend the money on something else, this package may work for you, but we encourage you to consult our website for a complete overview of the abortion experience. $250, cash only. 9. Abortions Anonymous-- For the woman who wants to tell no one, keep it secret, and have no record of having been there, we offer an anonymous service with private hours. Counseling offered to explore any feelings and potential emotional side effects. No names taken. $950, cash only.[/i] After listing the full range of imagined options, the authors write: [i]In most utopian scenarios, price tags are not offered because we assume money will be replaced by a better system of valuation. We have included these imaginary prices, in 2002 dollars, as a way to think about what an experience is worth to us. It may seem strange to think about market forces at work in abortion services but, actually, the stigma long associated with abortion has kept the principles of market economics from working for the consumer of abortion care. Abortion fees have been historically low in relation to medical inflation, and consumers have few choices. Abortion services, by and large, have not changed much in the last 30 years. If people were given real choices of how they wanted their abortion experience to be, the market would reflect a range of price tags as well as desires. When the stigma of abortion dissipates, women will actually have more choices and more recognition of the range of feelings, circumstances and their needs in facing an unintended pregnancy.[/i] [url="http://www.alleghenyreproductive.com/fantasy.html"]There is quite a bit more to the essay[/url]. Your comments on the rest of it are welcome as well. -------------------------------- something that i found particularly sickening was this paragraph: [i]Of course, in our ideal world, birth control works, sex goes beyond trading fluids to a trading of souls, and society is understanding of the emotional and spiritual issues in the rare situations where pregnancies happen and are not desirable. Of course, we also realize that even in the future, enlightened or not, people will take risks around sex, and love will still be blind. And, abortion will still be needed. However, in our vision of the future, abortion is a non-issue; pregnancy is seen as a profound and life-altering event and everything about it is treated as sacred--even, or perhaps, especially its ending. Children are miraculous and welcomed, miscarriages are mourned, and [b]abortions are considered carefully, and carried out lovingly, with the support and comfort of the woman's community[/b]. Men may be involved in all aspects and grandparents, aunts, uncles, siblings and friends rally around to support the woman in her chosen path. [b]At the same time, a couple's decision not to have children is equally honored[/b]. She recognizes that she is the gatekeeper of life and so creates a special place for herself to consider this question: "Is this the right time for new life to come into the world through my body?"[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Is this serious? Or satire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted July 20, 2006 Author Share Posted July 20, 2006 this is NOT satire. this is SERIOUS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 It sounds like picking out a birthing plan... I'm so grossed out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 That's one of the sickest, saddest things I've ever read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 I almost expect something this to follow: "Would you like fries with that?" *barf* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 What are packages #1 and #2? European abortion vacations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1027762' date='Jul 20 2006, 04:56 PM'] What are packages #1 and #2? European abortion vacations? [/quote]Not quite that exotic: [left] [size=1]1. Economy-- This is our most popular package which has been offered since 1973 and enjoyed by several millions of women in the United States. You can expect to be in an abortion facility about 4 hours. Several other clients will be joining you as you learn about the basics of pregnancy termination, birth control, and aftercare. Outpatient surgery is simple, quick, and safe. Personal review of medical history and emotional check-in are available; beverages and snacks will be served and a choice of pain relievers is yours, all for a reasonable fee of $350.[/size][/left] [left][size=1] [/size][/left] [left] [size=1]2. The Lunch Hour Special-- Designed for the busy woman for whom time is more valuable than money. Make your appointment on line and submit your personal medical information for review in advance of your appointment. Lab work can be performed at your convenience ahead of time. The physician is kind, quick, and gentle. Some sedatives may not be available in this time frame, but we guarantee service in one hour. $600. [/size][/left] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 <vomit> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avemaria40 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 (edited) Lord have mercy Edited July 20, 2006 by avemaria40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 I'm horrified. That's absolutely disgusting. Post abortion healing is going to be in high demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 sick.. that's all I have to say....sick.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 I couldn't even read them they were making me so sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted July 21, 2006 Author Share Posted July 21, 2006 i prayed the chaplet of Divine Mercy for the ladies who wrote this 'fantasy' and all the children they helped destroy. i can't believe there are people who think this stuff is good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
let_go_let_God Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 This is wrong on so many different levels... God bless- LGLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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