jasJis Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Can we all have at least one moment of peace? Apathy is not peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muschi Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Bruce- You can't claim the good Popes for "yours", because if you do, then you would have to be Catholic!!! God bless you though. Your last post gave me a good chuckle and your earlier one gave me hope! May God continue to lead us ever closer to His truth and love. I think everyone would agree that none of us have "arrived" just yet. - Muschi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Apathy is not peace. Well as long as both sides shut up for now, so I can get a snack... ...it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muschi Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I just had another thought while surfing the rest of this thread. (I knew there was a reason my head hurt so much!) Personally, I prefer to give Bruce the benefit of the doubt because the potential rewards are far greater. ie. Bruce recognizing his past "oops" and wanting to take a more civil tone on this phorum. I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt. Time and his future posts will tell. Also, since becoming Catholic, I'm learning more and more about God's grace that I never knew nor understood before and yet STILL don't really quite grasp it all. Whether one is Catholic OR Protestant, (not, NOT promoting relativism here by even a long shot), if one is diligently seeking after Christ, He will reveal Himself to us. I wish I could grasp His truth better than I do now but I think I understand that the reason why He doesn't reveal Himself to us at one time and why He reveals more of Himself to one person over another is due to pride......that is, He knows how much to give or reveal to each and everyone of us to keep us from getting a "swelled head". That's my new thought for the day! Whew! -Muschi ps. "Can't we all just get along?" - who said that? (couldn't resist, sorry.) :cyclops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Muschi, I too, will give the benefit of the doubt, when there is doubt. When doubt is unreasonable, I don't ignore the facts. Perform a simple task. Click on BruceS's name and view his profile. Click to view all his recent posts and they will show the newest first. Let me know if you have any doubts then. I've been Catholic for 40+ years. Today I was amazed and broght to tears witnessing God's grace that I don't fully understand. I pray I grow in my understanding of God everyday. I pray the same prayer for others I love. We will not grow in understanding when Truth is denied with willful purpose, or skillfull habit. When Truth is denied, we must defend and proclaim it, again, and again. Truth is witnessed to by all our heart, soul, mind, and stength. God's Love is not hidden or to be denied to avoid annoying our neighbor or to shrink from their wrath. You know the song" "We can be struck down, but not destroyed. We can be persecuted, but not abandoned." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 the enemy is Satan and his minions [and for now, it would seem Islam] more than each other. Shame we have no pagans here or Muslims. I suspect we would suddenly be allied IMMEDIATELY if there were.... Allah Akbar! They pray five times a day, one thing they got right. Ok, now I'm offended. First, as Pal pointed out, we do have at least one Pagan and Muslim. It's interesting how they seem to get in a lot fewwer arguements that the Protestants (I'm going to leave this here to avoid getting snide). I believe that we can learn things from ALL faiths. IMO, any search for truth will yeild some truth. Maybe not a lot, maybe not enough, but some. For example, the 99 names of Allah in Islam are beautiful and easily apply to a Christian idea of God. Also, the five pillars of Islam are good things, just as the Eightfold Path and Four Noble Truths in Buddhism. For Christmas my parents got me a Hindu mala (a string of 108 beads for counting prayers similar to a rosary). Though I probably won't use it for counting the traditional Hindu mantra ("Om, mani padme, hum), I intend to use it (actually, I'll probably use the Jesus prayer from Eastern Orthodox traditions). Yes, Catholics and Protestants can learn from each other. However, we also should not promote a false sense of unity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful1 Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Ok, now I'm offended. First, as Pal pointed out, we do have at least one Pagan and Muslim. It's interesting how they seem to get in a lot fewwer arguements that the Protestants (I'm going to leave this here to avoid getting snide). I believe that we can learn things from ALL faiths. IMO, any search for truth will yeild some truth. Maybe not a lot, maybe not enough, but some. For example, the 99 names of Allah in Islam are beautiful and easily apply to a Christian idea of God. Also, the five pillars of Islam are good things, just as the Eightfold Path and Four Noble Truths in Buddhism. For Christmas my parents got me a Hindu mala (a string of 108 beads for counting prayers similar to a rosary). Though I probably won't use it for counting the traditional Hindu mantra ("Om, mani padme, hum), I intend to use it (actually, I'll probably use the Jesus prayer from Eastern Orthodox traditions). Yes, Catholics and Protestants can learn from each other. However, we also should not promote a false sense of unity. I think you're on to something willguy ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalscout Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 (edited) I disagree with most of what Bruce has said but in his intial post the guy dropped his guard and put his heart out to us the best way, I have seen, that he knows how. Some of you chose to disect his post and ridicule it. For once, will both sides stop putting every word under the microscope? Letting a phrase or statement pass does not mean you concede to it or agree with it. This thread, like all others, has taken a downward spiral into bickering. 1 Peter 3:15 "Always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence." Edited January 7, 2004 by socalscout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TABBY Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 First of all, I just got back from church, did some honest praying there, and soul searching. This is a wonderful site, full of wonderful, committed, caring people. We DISAGREE totally, on HOW to "Implement Christianity" but... This hit me. We, all of us, by the very act of being here, working our fingers off in discussion, yakking, thinking, researching, and putting out ideas, are trying our BEST to be in union with Christ. Most of the world today is not doing this. They are watching porn, swearing, shooting crud into arms, or worse. So what is some love statues, [OK, we disagree on that one], does that invalidate us as Christians? No. We think that the Pope is not the leader, who cares? If there is a crappy Pope, a good Pope, or NO Pope. Jesus has changed all of our hearts. WE, the people on this site seek to do right, to lead better lives, to turn away from sin, to love families, communities, the world. The world around us, torn as it is with strife, killings, and even...still...slavery, white and black hatreds, and worse, is in desperate need of ANY version of Christianity. And that is found in the hearts of Catholics and in Protestants. There is much Protestants can learn from Catholics, and we hope, the other way too. We are not enemies, just Christians yabbering over the details of how to be BETTER Christians. [and no, I still don't agree with you on Juan Diego and the eyes thing.....grin.] Peace be with you....wonderful post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Before you get all warm and fuzzy, Tabby, click on BruceS's name and go to his profile. Click to see "All posts by this member" and look at them in chronological order. Read his posts immediately following this post. I wish BruceS Christ's peace, but considering his nature he displayed immediately after this "wonderful" post, the history prior to it, and the posts after, I recommend caution and a prayer for Bruce, not a pat on the back and congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Before you get all warm and fuzzy, Tabby, click on BruceS's name and go to his profile. Click to see "All posts by this member" and look at them in chronological order. Read his posts immediately following this post. I wish BruceS Christ's peace, but considering his nature he displayed immediately after this "wonderful" post, the history prior to it, and the posts after, I recommend caution and a prayer for Bruce, not a pat on the back and congratulations. You wish him Christ's peace yet you always attack him in your posts? Why don't you show the love you supposedly have and the peace you wish instead of just saying it. Isn't your big book James and how true religion is 'doing' and not just 'saying'? There is no 'I wish him peace' 'but.....'. Either you are wishing him peace - or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalscout Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 (edited) Before you get all warm and fuzzy, Tabby, click on BruceS's name and go to his profile. Click to see "All posts by this member" and look at them in chronological order. Read his posts immediately following this post. I wish BruceS Christ's peace, but considering his nature he displayed immediately after this "wonderful" post, the history prior to it, and the posts after, I recommend caution and a prayer for Bruce, not a pat on the back and congratulations. Take his first post at face value. There is no justification for his subsequent posts but he would have not taken the defensive if he was not berated for trying to exercise tolerance amongst Christians on this board. He has said some very inflamatory things and everything else, he has said, has been just noise but I think he was adding a little levity to his confrontational demeanor this time and got bitten by some fo you. Edited January 7, 2004 by socalscout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Take his first post at face value. There is no justification for his subsequent posts but he would have not taken the defensive if he was not berated for trying to exercise tolerance amongst Christians on this board. He has said some very inflamatory things and everything else, he has said, has been just noise but I think he was adding a little levity to his confrontational demeanor this time and got bitten by some fo you. Why would I take his first post at face value. That is ignorant because it ignores the context tht it was presented. I AM one of the most tolerant of non-Catholics, non-Christians, and others who don't conform to the "ideal" Catholic standard. We all have our problems. I am not tolerant of anti-Christianity, no matter what label that person claims. As I've been told. Don't complain about the smell if you insist on crapping in your pantaloons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bchriste Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 First of all, I just got back from church, did some honest praying there, and soul searching. This is a wonderful site, full of wonderful, committed, caring people. We DISAGREE totally, on HOW to "Implement Christianity" but... This hit me. We, all of us, by the very act of being here, working our fingers off in discussion, yakking, thinking, researching, and putting out ideas, are trying our BEST to be in union with Christ. Most of the world today is not doing this. They are watching porn, swearing, shooting crud into arms, or worse. So what is some love statues, [OK, we disagree on that one], does that invalidate us as Christians? No. We think that the Pope is not the leader, who cares? If there is a crappy Pope, a good Pope, or NO Pope. Jesus has changed all of our hearts. WE, the people on this site seek to do right, to lead better lives, to turn away from sin, to love families, communities, the world. The world around us, torn as it is with strife, killings, and even...still...slavery, white and black hatreds, and worse, is in desperate need of ANY version of Christianity. And that is found in the hearts of Catholics and in Protestants. There is much Protestants can learn from Catholics, and we hope, the other way too. We are not enemies, just Christians yabbering over the details of how to be BETTER Christians. [and no, I still don't agree with you on Juan Diego and the eyes thing.....grin.] The greatest of these is love. Thanks Bruce. bchriste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 I am deleting Bruces post, and will delete any from here on out until he stops adding insults to his debates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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