thessalonian Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 The Catholic Church teaches that there are three persons in one God, i.e. the Trinity. Anyone have any scriptural/theological proof of this? Aquinas, others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franimus Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Just as God "sent His Son", Jesus "sent His Spirit".. that's the best I can come up with spur of the moment from the Bible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted July 18, 2006 Author Share Posted July 18, 2006 [quote name='Franimus' post='1026600' date='Jul 18 2006, 05:39 AM'] Just as God "sent His Son", Jesus "sent His Spirit".. that's the best I can come up with spur of the moment from the Bible [/quote] That's a good start I think. Only a separate entity/individual can be sent it would seem. wikipedia on what is a person looks to be helpful. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulton Sheen Warrior Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 (edited) +JMJ+ St. Thomas Aquinas: [url="http://www.newadvent.org/summa/103600.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/summa/103600.htm[/url] St. Ambrose: [url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/34021.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/34021.htm[/url] God bless Thess! Fulton Edited July 18, 2006 by Fulton Sheen Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswranch Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 I made a donation to catholic.com a while back. [url="http://shop.catholic.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/online-store/scstore/p-CB289.html?L+scstore+lsxn1533ff86e886+1155301079"]They sent me "topic tabs" to place in my bible.[/url] Here are some scriptures (NAB). Gen 2: 26 Let "us" make man in "our" image. Gen 18:1-2 (though not in the flesh) The Lord appeared to Abraham... Looking up, he saw three men standing nearby. Mark28:19 baptizing them in the name of.... the Holy Spirit. (Only people have a name.) John 14:26 the Holy Spirit referred to as 'he will teach' 1 Cor 2:10-16 Heb 10: 15-18 where the HS teaches and testifies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 [quote name='thessalonian' post='1026598' date='Jul 18 2006, 06:23 AM'] The Catholic Church teaches that there are three persons in one God, i.e. the Trinity. Anyone have any scriptural/theological proof of this? Aquinas, others? [/quote] for scriptural proof, go to Scripture Catholic and look under "THE TRINITY" in the left-hand column [url="http://scripturecatholic.com/"]http://scripturecatholic.com/[/url] for theological proof, go to the Directory and search the keyword "trinity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted July 18, 2006 Author Share Posted July 18, 2006 (edited) Thx for reminding me of SC Phat. That hit the nail on the old proverbial head! It would seem some would think the Bible erred in using a PERSONal pronoun (He Him) for the Holy Spirit. We'll see. Edited July 18, 2006 by thessalonian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 [quote name='thessalonian' post='1026739' date='Jul 18 2006, 10:58 AM'] Thx for reminding me of SC Phat. That hit the nail on the old proverbial head! It would seem some would think the Bible erred in using a PERSONal pronoun (He Him) for the Holy Spirit. We'll see. [/quote] indeed....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 (edited) Aside from the Catholic Catechism and Ludwig Ott's "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma"... I'm right now reading St. Augustine's "De Trinitate." Here's the book at the publisher's website (ISBN:0911782966): [url="http://www.newcitypress.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=137"]http://www.newcitypress.com/ProductDetails...x?productID=137[/url] Also, at Amazon.com (a different cover is shown for some reason): [url="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0911782966/sr=8-1/qid=1153237740/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-5456309-2873419?ie=UTF8"]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/091178296...2873419?ie=UTF8[/url] It's got a great introduction section, and St. Augustine cites endless verses of Holy Scripture. Very good book. I have seen some "lighter weight" books, but haven't read any of them. Also, check out the Catholic Encyclopedia entry on the Holy Spirit (aka Holy Ghost): [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07409a.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07409a.htm[/url] Edited July 18, 2006 by Mateo el Feo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 [quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1026748' date='Jul 18 2006, 11:14 AM'] Aside from the Catholic Catechism and Ludwig Ott's "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma"... I'm right now reading St. Augustine's "De Trinitate." Here's the book at the publisher's website (ISBN:0911782966): [url="http://www.newcitypress.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=137"]http://www.newcitypress.com/ProductDetails...x?productID=137[/url] Also, at Amazon.com (a different cover is shown for some reason): [url="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0911782966/sr=8-1/qid=1153237740/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-5456309-2873419?ie=UTF8"]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/091178296...2873419?ie=UTF8[/url] It's got a great introduction section, and St. Augustine cites endless verses of Holy Scripture. Very good book. I have seen some "lighter weight" books, but haven't read any of them.[/quote] or read it online here: [url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1301.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1301.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted July 18, 2006 Author Share Posted July 18, 2006 Thx phat. I'm on the cheap these days . Thanks to you as well Mateo. That book looks great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 [quote name='phatcatholic' post='1026750' date='Jul 18 2006, 11:14 AM'] or read it online here: [url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1301.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1301.htm[/url] [/quote]Thanks for the link! I should have known that it was out on the net somewhere. The advantages of the online version are: it's free and you can do text searches. The disadvantages are: I couldn't see any citations of Scripture (i.e. book/chapter/verse); there are no endnotes--I like to read them; and staring at the screen is no fun. [quote name='thessalonian' post='1026756' date='Jul 18 2006, 11:29 AM']Thanks to you as well Mateo. That book looks great.[/quote]Any time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapon Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 [quote name='thessalonian' post='1026601' date='Jul 18 2006, 04:47 AM'] That's a good start I think. Only a separate entity/individual can be sent it would seem. wikipedia on what is a person looks to be helpful. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person[/url] [/quote] The "persons" of the trinity are not individuals in the modern sense of the term therefore the discussions on personhood at wikipedia are not helpful. The athanasian creed uses the latin "persona" to denote the different hypostases of the trinity. That concept is taken from the theater and originally referred to a mask, making the creed sound like modalism. Today, however, it sounds tritheistic. So person in trinitarian usage denotes not an individual but yet more than a mask or an appearance making it quite difficult to communicate. Best, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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