Evangelism miracle

[jswranch]

Caught in the middle of another Anglican schism, Dad told me on the phone today that he honestly wants me to walk him through/convince him of the Marian dogmas.


If you notice some of my other posts, I have decided to begin with the perpetual virginity. My 16 page paper is now under review of one of our seminarians who is checking up on my [url="http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/talmud.htm"]OT Hebrew source[/url], as he used to be an Hasidic Jew.

Edited July 17, 2006 by jswranch

[thessalonian]

cool. Might I recommend a short but very good book by patrick Madrid, "Any Friend of God's is a Friend of Mine". It is not specifically marian but does give a good background and scriptural understanding of why we pray to saints and framing it in a proper non-worship context.

[Fides_et_Ratio]

that's awesome (definite prayers )

I'd also recommend recommend looking at the Church Fathers... it always made sense to me when I was reconciling that we ought to look to what the earliest Christians believed and said.

Oh, and regarding the "brothers" in the Bible, I had the privilege of running into a Nigerian priest at our parish once who was talking about his villiage and that they did have some non-Catholic Christian communities there and so he did have to know a little about apologetics. As we got to talking, we discussed Marian doctrines... and I was shocked to hear him say that the "brothers" mentioned in the Bible don't usually pose much of a problem for that doctrine for the Nigerians, because they are used to the fraternal sense of calling cousins and near kin "brother"... he said as he read more into apologetics he'd seen that we (i.e., "westerners") were having that issue, and said that it's mostly a Western issue because we give such an exclusive meaning to words (like "worship", "brother", etc.). It was a very interesting conversation.

[jswranch]

Thank you all.

[Mateo el Feo]

Just in case you want to go to the source, here's some links to papal writings:

[b]The Immaculate Conception[/b]
[i]Ubi Primum [/i] ([url="http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9ubipr2.htm"]link[/url]): (On the Immaculate Conception) February 2, 1849 (Note: This was a letter considerating the definition of the dogma).
[i]Ineffabilis Deus [/i] ([url="http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9ineff.htm"]link[/url]): (The Immaculate Conception) December 8, 1854 [Apostolic Constitution]

[b]The Assumption of Mary[/b]
[i]Deiparae Virginis Mariae [/i] ([url="http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius12/P12DEIPA.HTM"]link[/url]): (Should We Define the Assumption?) May 1, 1946
[i]Munificentissimus Deus [/i] ([url="http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius12/P12MUNIF.HTM"]link[/url]): (Defining the Dogma of the Assumption) November 1, 1950 [Apostolic Constitution]

[b]The Queenship of Mary[/b] (I don't believe this is a dogma)
[i]Ad Caeli Reginam [/i] ([url="http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius12/P12CAELI.HTM"]link[/url]): (Proclaiming the Queenship of Mary) October 11, 1954

Some more stuff from Catholic.com:
[url="http://www.catholic.com/library/mary_saints.asp"]http://www.catholic.com/library/mary_saints.asp[/url]

Finally, the Marian stuff in the Phatmass directory:
[url="http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/5"]http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/5[/url]

Enjoy!

Edited July 19, 2006 by Mateo el Feo

[Fides_et_Ratio]

How are things going?

[jswranch]

[quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' post='1027635' date='Jul 20 2006, 01:59 PM']
How are things going?
[/quote]
Not much has changed recently. Here is my game plan for the next week:
1. Get my source checked for the OT in the below quote (hint hint).
2. Send it to him with CD set [url="http://shop.catholic.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/online-store/scstore/p-A0139.html?L+scstore+lpvn0168ffa895a8+1155681669"]Tim Staples: "[u]All generations Shall Call Me Blessed[/u]"[/url] for his road trip up to see me.
3. Include book, [i]An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine [/i] by John Henry Cardinal Newman
4. Be ready for questions when he gets here.

[quote name='jswranch' post='1025831' date='Jul 17 2006, 12:31 AM']
If you notice some of my other posts, I have decided to begin with the perpetual virginity. My 16 page paper is now under review of one of our seminarians who is checking up on my [url="http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/talmud.htm"][u]OT Hebrew source[/u][/url], as he used to be an Hasidic Jew.
[/quote]

[goldenchild17]

An absolute must read (and must share) in regards to Mary's sinlessness is "The Immaculate Conception of the Mother of God" by Bishop William Ullathorne. My favorite source for this doctrine.

btw, Where do you go to Church in Colorado Springs? I live about 20 minutes outside of the Springs.

[jswranch]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1029549' date='Jul 23 2006, 01:34 PM']
An absolute must read (and must share) in regards to Mary's sinlessness is "The Immaculate Conception of the Mother of God" by Bishop William Ullathorne. My favorite source for this doctrine.

btw, Where do you go to Church in Colorado Springs? I live about 20 minutes outside of the Springs.
[/quote]
Are you up in black forest? Where?

I am at Sacred Heart/Tri-community on the West Side in Old Colorado City.

[goldenchild17]

I'm in the Ellicott/Yoder area about 20 minutes east. I go to Immaculate Conception Latin Mass in Fountain.

[jswranch]

Give me a shout if you are planning to come into town any time soon.

[goldenchild17]

We go into town pretty much everyday. But I'll be moving to Arizona for school in a few weeks. Cool to know not all the PM'ers live in TX :

Edited July 23, 2006 by goldenchild17

[Justified Saint]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1029599' date='Jul 23 2006, 02:59 PM']
We go into town pretty much everyday. But I'll be moving to Arizona for school in a few weeks. Cool to know not all the PM'ers live in TX :
[/quote]

Why would you come to Arizona for school?!? I could count any good schools they have here on one hand!

[DAF]

Well the good news is that if he's willing eough to ask you to do that for him, he's probably already made up his mind (consciously or otherwise). Maybe not definitively, but you can guess where he's leaning.

Prayers

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Justified Saint' post='1029635' date='Jul 23 2006, 05:46 PM']
Why would you come to Arizona for school?!? I could count any good schools they have here on one hand!
[/quote]

Compared with what we have here it'll be a bargain . I liked what I saw at U of A, as far as public schools go, and that's all I can go to so...