Do you believe the Medjigoure "apparitions" to be

[goldenchild17]

Even though this thread is months old I'll say it again: I don't believe these apparitions are from heaven. I think it quite possible that they are real apparitions, but not from heaven.

[KizlarAgha]

[quote name='Budge' post='1108572' date='Nov 2 2006, 10:07 AM']
You all realize what this particular apparition has taught do you not?

I believe all the apparitions are NOT from heaven and are demonic in nature.

This is more of the end time delusions of Rome.

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Seer Vicka Ivankovic: [u]"No. The Blessed Mother says all religions are dear to her and her Son. [/u] (Janice T. Connell, The Visions of the Children, The Apparitions of the Blessed Mother at Medjugorje, St. Martin's Press, August 1992)[/b]
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Demons aren't real, Budge. Neither are the apparitions.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1108774' date='Nov 2 2006, 10:24 AM']Even though this thread is months old I'll say it again: I don't believe these apparitions are from heaven. I think it quite possible that they are real apparitions, but not from heaven.[/quote]agreed

[Katholikos]

This was recently posted in Open Mic --

An Archbishop led a pilgrimmage to Medjugorje and published this report in October, 2006. The report includes a comment from JPII the Great.

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=59537"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=59537[/url]

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Blessed Father Damien, pray for us!

[Katholikos]

I went to Medjugorje in 1994 as a skeptic. I smelled the roses on Apparition Hill where there are no roses -- only rocks and scrub brush, mostly rocks. Others in my group smelled them too. It was eerie.

I saw the sun dance in the sky, similar to what was described at Fatima, spinning and expanding and contracting and throwing vivid colors out into space. I saw the sun dance on two other occasions after I returned home. Many others saw it at the same time. An opaque disc, it looked like a Communion host, covered the sun and we could look at it as if it were the moon. At one point, the sun fell out of the sky, spinning toward the earth. I thought the world was coming to an end. It's a heart stopping experience.

Am I a believer? I can only state what I experienced there and after I got home. I make no judgment about these events, other than that I don't believe they're diabolical. Father Tim Deeter of Orangefield TX, Diocese of Beaumont, has an incredible story to tell about his own experiences there. One was that he understood a Mass and homily in Serbo-Croatian in syntactical English. He said, "Now I understand what happened at Pentecost." He had been a skeptic, too.

I await the judgment of the Church. But that judgment will not change what I saw and experienced. I was kissed by God. I treasure the memories.

I don't read the messages.

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Blessed Father Damien, pray for us!

[misereremi]

[quote name='Katholikos' post='1109521' date='Nov 3 2006, 04:43 AM']
I await the judgment of the Church. But that judgment will not change what I saw and experienced. I was kissed by God. I treasure the memories.
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Me, too. I agree.

[popestpiusx]

To answer the question asked in the poll:

hell no.

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1108774' date='Nov 2 2006, 01:24 PM']
Even though this thread is months old I'll say it again: I don't believe these apparitions are from heaven. I think it quite possible that they are real apparitions, but not from heaven.
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That is certainly a possiblity.

[toledo_jesus]

I don't think they apparitions are real, but perhaps the prayerful atmosphere among the faithful who flock there contributes to the spiritual benefits many have experienced.

I'd love to have a supernatural experience like that, but most often I think it's people just giving in to fancy.

[Katholikos]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' post='1114479' date='Nov 7 2006, 09:38 PM']
I don't think they apparitions are real, but perhaps the prayerful atmosphere among the faithful who flock there contributes to the spiritual benefits many have experienced.

I'd love to have a supernatural experience like that, but most often I think it's people just giving in to fancy.
[/quote]A camera crew from a TV station in my city went to Medjugorje a few years ago and brought back film of the "sun event." The reporter became a Catholic.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Katholikos' post='1115720' date='Nov 9 2006, 01:38 AM']
A camera crew from a TV station in my city went to Medjugorje a few years ago and brought back film of the "sun event." The reporter became a Catholic.
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I don't think that proves anything, even though it's really cool.

[God Conquers]

It makes absolutley no sense that the apparitions are demonic in origin. ]


How many thousands of people have come to Christ and back to their faith through them? Hpw many dozens of vocations to religious life have been found there?

It's the second worst strategy of the devil EVER. The first being helping Jesus get to the cross.

IF anything is amiss, it is the continuation ad nauseum of apparitions and the economic exploitation. You can be sure the tempter is in the midst there.

[Budge]

[quote]
[b]I saw the sun dance in the sky, [/b] similar to what was described at Fatima, spinning and expanding and contracting and throwing vivid colors out into space. I saw the sun dance on two other occasions after I returned home. Many others saw it at the same time. An opaque disc, it looked like a Communion host, covered the sun and we could look at it as if it were the moon. [b]At one point, the sun fell out of the sky, spinning toward the earth.[/b] I thought the world was coming to an end. It's a heart stopping experience.[/quote]

You folks do realize God HATES Sun worship?

Paganism is related to the Sun worship and this stuff is part of the Catholic church--I am realizing the diabolical connection to the so-called Sun Miracle that happpened at Fatima.

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Eze 8:8 Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.


Eze 8:9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.


Eze 8:10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.


Eze 8:11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.


Eze 8:12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth.


Eze 8:13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, [and] thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.


Eze 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which [was] toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.


Eze 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen [this], O son of man? turn thee yet again, [and] thou shalt see greater abominations than these.


Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, [were] about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; [b]and they worshipped the sun toward the east. [/b]

Eze 8:17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen [this], O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.


Eze 8:18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, [yet] will I not hear them.


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Fear God more then man.

These are harsh words for those who worship the Sun.

Notice the peasants prostrating themselves before the Sun?

[img]http://users.ev1.net/~seektress/fat9.jpg[/img]



This is definitely demonic in orgin....


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"This power is so intense that it absorbs and almost completely annihilates them. It practically deprives them of the use of their body senses. Their bodies are subject to a mysterious, depressing force that prostrates them."
- Joseph Pelletier, The Sun Danced at Fatima
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From the road, where the carriages were crowded together and where hundreds of persons hadstayed for want of sufficient courage to advance across the muddy ground, we saw the hugecrowd turn towards the sun which appeared at its zenith, clear of the clouds. It resembled a flatplate of silver, and it was possible to stare at it without the least discomfort. It did not burn theeyes. It did not blind. We would say that it produced an eclipse. Then a tremendous cry rang out,and the crowd nearest us were heard to shout: "Miracle! Miracle!...Marvel!...Marvel!" Before thedazzled eyes of the people, whose attitude transported us to biblical times, and who,dumb-founded, heads uncovered, contemplated the blue of the sky,[b] the sun trembled, it madestrange and abrupt movements, outside of all cosmic laws, "the sun danced", accordingto the typical expression of the peasants...(2)"
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www.aloha.net/~mikesch/monstr.htm

Read this, and LISTEN TO THIS WARNING....

[quote]
QUEEN OF HEAVEN (Hebrew [melekheth ha-shamayim], although there is another reading, Hebrew [mele'kheth], "worship" or "goddess" ... Occurs only in two passages: Jer 7:18; Jer 44:17-19, 25, where the prophet denounces the wrath of God upon the inhabitants of Judah and Jerusalem [b]who have given themselves up to the worship of the host of heaven .[/b].. But that the people of Judah in the days before the exile had given themselves over to the worst and vilest forms of heathen worship and incurred the grievous displeasure of Yahweh is made clear by the denunciation of the worship of the queen of heaven by Jeremiah.' —International Standard Bible Encyclopedia[/quote]

This is nothing new, the daughter of Chaldea continues to deceive...

[url="http://www.harpazo.net/Queen.html"]THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN'S PLAN OF DECEPTION[/url]

Edited November 9, 2006 by Budge

[Jaime]

Sorry Budgie

I've been to Medjugorje. I've seen the miracle of the sun. And neither I nor anyone around me that saw it (which was about 30% of the crowd) even considered falling down and worshiping the sun.

Has God ever used the sun to make a point? Hmmm let's see


[quote]Joshua 10:13 (New American Standard Bible)


13(A)So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,
Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies
Is it not written in (B)the book of Jashar? And ©the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day[/quote]

[Katholikos]

Budge, your assertions are ludicrous. Looking for demonic activity? Look inward.

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Blessed Father Damien, pray for us!

[123]

I do believe.

+JMJ+