Presidential Candidates '08

[Akalyte]

If the liberals win I will no longer declare myself a American, and I will go straight to Rome. The liberal democratic party is saturated with Communist teachings, the communist wanted to gain control of one of the parties in the USA and its obvious they got a hold of the democratic party. So yeah if they win, I will not live a communist nation.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1018259' date='Jul 6 2006, 12:55 PM']
If the liberals win I will no longer declare myself a American, and I will go straight to Rome. The liberal democratic party is saturated with Communist teachings, the communist wanted to gain control of one of the parties in the USA and its obvious they got a hold of the democratic party. So yeah if they win, I will not live a communist nation.
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Good call. Liberals -- especially liberal communists -- don't need Jesus. You're definitely right in giving up on them.

[zwergel88]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1018259' date='Jul 6 2006, 09:55 AM']
If the liberals win I will no longer declare myself a American, and I will go straight to Rome. The liberal democratic party is saturated with Communist teachings, the communist wanted to gain control of one of the parties in the USA and its obvious they got a hold of the democratic party. So yeah if they win, I will not live a communist nation.
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I'll be doing the same thing if the conservatives win.

[DAF]

I don't think Kerry will win again. I don't think he would want to look desperate by running twice. And anyway, it's almost certain he'd get slapped down.
McCain is a dangerous man. That idiot runs around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to have opinions about everything, and he's the leftyist republican I can think of.
I think Clinton will run, and there's always that cult that would die for the Clintons, so she would get a considerable number of votes if she ran, but she's definitely too extreme to win.
Rudy is a good guy, he's certainly got the credentials with how he cleaned up new york, and I would vote for him, but he's pro-abortion He says he doesn't plan on running anyway, so it's kind of moot to speculate.
Condoleezza is totally who I would vote for if she ran. (though I don't know how she is on issues like abortion, have to look at that) Unfortunately, there's that mob of people who will vote for her just because she's black and a woman, which is dissappointing that people don't really care about WHO you are, but rather WHAT you are, but so it goes.
Anybody know where Condoleezza stands on Catholic issues?

[Era Might]

Rice describes herself as "mildly pro-choice".

Wrong answer. Bzzzzt.

[inDEED]

It's gettin' hot in HURRR...

[kujo]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1018259' date='Jul 6 2006, 11:55 AM']
If the liberals win I will no longer declare myself a American, and I will go straight to Rome. The liberal democratic party is saturated with Communist teachings, the communist wanted to gain control of one of the parties in the USA and its obvious they got a hold of the democratic party. So yeah if they win, I will not live a communist nation.
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That is an ignorant statement, brother.

The beauty of our country is that the majority of the people select the leader(s). If everyone fled to Canada (or, your case, Rome...which isn't exactly a hot-bed of morality) each time their candidate didn't win, our thing wouldn't work. It's a little childish...it's like a toddler not getting their way, so they stomp their feet and scream.

As for Communists, they have a right to their opinion. I happen to agree with the notion of providing for the lower stratus of our society; however, I do not like the idea of the government telling me how much I can make, nor do I like the anti-God stance of communism.

But fear not, guys. The Dems will most likely take the Congress this term and they'll screw it up (like they always do) by attacking Bush rather than tackling issues. For instance, rumor has it that Sen. Ted Kennedy (or, as I like to call him, "The One That Got Away...Twice") once to impeach Bush if the Dems take the Senate. That would be suicide because the American people, despite their disapproval of Bush's policies, don't want to see him impeached. The wiretapping, the monitoring of domestic terrorists' international banking....by and large, most American agree with it.

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Edited July 6, 2006 by kujo

[Akalyte]

[quote name='zwergel88' post='1018291' date='Jul 6 2006, 11:37 AM']
I'll be doing the same thing if the conservatives win.
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why? the conservatives are not the ones trying to turn this country into one big "party of sin". The liberal democrats are fighting for the 5 non-negotiables, not to mention they really want to take our Religious freedom away. The liberal democrats claim they care for the poor, while at the same time they put all the abortion clinics, liquor and guns stores in the poor neihborhoods. The liberal democrats are also upholding Margaret sanger and funding her Nazi orginization. Saying "were for the little guys" yeah sure, as long as that little guy isnt a orthodox catholic or a conservative. The communists came up with a list of goals, they wanted to fullfill in this country, they wanted to take control of either the democratic party or republican party. ITs quite obvious which party they took control of. The liberal democrats are fullfilling all the communist goals for them. Lets see how fast Catholics and protestants alike end up underground if the liberals take over in 08.

[DAF]

[quote]Lets see how fast Catholics and protestants alike end up underground if the liberals take over in 08.[/quote]


What a wonderful thing it would be to be martyred right here in America!

Edited July 6, 2006 by DAF

[Era Might]

[quote name='DAF' post='1018333' date='Jul 6 2006, 01:46 PM']What a wonderful thing it would be to be martyred right here in America!
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Yep. We could be on a reality TV show!

[zwergel88]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1018326' date='Jul 6 2006, 11:32 AM']
why? the conservatives are not the ones trying to turn this country into one big "party of sin". The liberal democrats are fighting for the 5 non-negotiables, not to mention they really want to take our Religious freedom away. The liberal democrats claim they care for the poor, while at the same time they put all the abortion clinics, liquor and guns stores in the poor neihborhoods. The liberal democrats are also upholding Margaret sanger and funding her Nazi orginization. Saying "were for the little guys" yeah sure, as long as that little guy isnt a orthodox catholic or a conservative. The communists came up with a list of goals, they wanted to fullfill in this country, they wanted to take control of either the democratic party or republican party. ITs quite obvious which party they took control of. The liberal democrats are fullfilling all the communist goals for them. Lets see how fast Catholics and protestants alike end up underground if the liberals take over in 08.
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Democrats are not nearly as anti-religious as you think my friend. Traditionally, the majority of Catholics in this country are in fact Democrats. Democrats are not communists or Nazis either (by the way, a Nazi is the opposite of a communist so you might want to check on that before you accuse liberals or being both). Also, you just said that "liberals put up gun stores" That is nonsense considering that those on the left favor slightly stricter gun control in order to keep dangerous weapons off the streets, whereas Republicans are the ones who allowed the ban on semi-automatic weapons to expire. As far as liquor stores, I don't think that the folks in either party are in favor of reinstating prohibition any time soon.

Democrats are the party who have long tried to implement measures to help people who are less well off. They are in favor of raising the minimum wage, improving rather than destroying social security, developing better pension plans, and making sure that all American's can afford healthcare. They also support measures that help children such as subsidized childcare, free healthcare for children, and after school programs.

Its true that Democrats are by a slight majority pro-choice, however they are pro-life on many other issues and their abortion stance is changing rapidly. Many prominant pro-life Democrats hold office or are running. The minority leader of the Senate, Harry Reid is pro-life, as is Senator Ben Nelson. In the house, many representatives from my own state of PA are pro-life Democrats such as John Murtha and Mike Doyle. More are running for office too. In PA, Bob Casey a pro-life Democrat and devout Catholic is running for the senate seat. It is estimated that as many as 47% of Democrats are now pro-life. For more info check out www.democratsforlife.org.

Trust me, Democrats and liberals are awesome. I am proud to be a liberal. And if you're going to move out of the country, I agree with the people who pointed out, the Rome is probably more "liberal" than you can imagine. Also, remember that not too many America liberals are Communists and it is all together impossible according to political philosophy for them to be Nazis.

Anna

[Akalyte]

i dont need to be reminded of anything or check my facts.. But big deal there is a tiny splinter group of pro-life democrats, but will they ever make it into office? Many Liberal democrats are acting like atheistic communists, as for Nazi's, there are Nazi's in the democratic party.

Liberalism has been condemned by the Church, I really dont care how many "pope quotes" ya'll take out of context either. Especially modern quotes. Its quite obvious how the liberal democrats are furthering the Culture of Death. Even as they are claiming they are caring for the poor.

oh yeah and Ann Coulter is cool.

[Jaime]

People people people


Let's take a deep breath here!! We've got a few months before the sleeper election. Sure we all have different ideas on how the country can and should be run. But can't we all rally behind one thing that we should all agree on?



The fact that Ann Coulter is hot!!

[Akalyte]

Here, feed on this:


The Communist Takeover Of
America - 45 Declared Goals
From Greg Swank
12-4-2

You are about to read a list of 45 goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963. As you read this, 39 years later, you should be shocked by the events that have played themselves out. I first ran across this list 3 years ago but was unable to attain a copy and it has bothered me ever since. Recently, Jeff Rense posted it on his site and I would like to thank him for doing so. [url="http://www.rense.com"]http://www.rense.com[/url]

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 .

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

Edited July 6, 2006 by Akalyte

[Era Might]

[quote]U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.[/quote]
Atomic war is an infernal concept, and it should be illegal to even suggest it.

If being a Republican means we have to bomb women and children indiscriminately, contrary to the doctrine of the Church and the law of God, God help us all.

Edited July 6, 2006 by Era Might