The Reformed Catholic church

[AxFactor]

I was recently asked to do a overhaul on the website [url="http://www.reformedcatholicchurch.org"]http://www.reformedcatholicchurch.org[/url] I'm having trouble understanding how this ties to the traditional catholic church if any and does it pose any threat to the established church.

[heavenseeker]

from what i read it sounded like they let anyone recieve the sacraments and not just Catholics. if that is true i dont see how they call themselvs catholic.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote][center][b]Statement of Principles[/b][/center]

We are all a pilgrim people, part of the greater body of Christ, the Church. We, as a community of faith strive to serve our God to the best of our ability. We endeavor to be the hands and feet of our Lord, Jesus the Christ, and to be Gospel in this world.

As such, the people of The Reformed Catholic Church have prayerfully assembled a statement of principles that this faith community embraces:

Whereas: The Reformed Catholic Church believes that we are all
Children of God, created by God in His image and loved
by Him regardless of our status and/or station in life;

Whereas: He became man, lived a perfect life, suffered, died
and was buried, He then rose from the dead for the
forgiveness of our sins and to give us the gift of life eternal;

Whereas: We are ALL equal in the eyes of God, we the people of
The Reformed Catholic Church submit these Statements of Principles.


1. The Reformed Catholic Church will not tolerate discrimination of ANY type. Therefore; The Reformed Catholic Church does not discriminate in any form of membership regardless of age, gender, health condition, ethnicity or sexual orientation or other religious/spiritual affiliation.

2. All qualified candidates for ministry, as determined by the Formation Committee and The Presiding Bishop, shall be considered and ordained when appropriate regardless of age, gender, ethnicity and/or sexual orientation.

3. All ministers shall have the right to choose between celibacy, marriage or to remain single as they feel led by God.

4. All first marriages are indeed blessed by God, in as much, subsequent marriages/unions are also blessed by God and shall be blessed by the Church as entered into by consenting adults.

5. As all marriages/unions are blessed, we believe that divorce should be a last resort. Counseling and prayerful meditation should be used by all committed couples before divorcing. The Reformed Catholic Church does acknowledge that in some instances no amount of counseling and meditation can save a marriage that cannot be saved.

6. While we believe that life begins at conception, the Reformed Catholic Church does acknowledge that under some circumstance abortion may be used and is not in and of itself a sin. Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control but may be used in instances of rape/incest or when the mother’s life may be endangered. Much prayerful meditation is recommended for the parties involved and both parties should be in agreement before the abortion takes place.

7. The use of birth control, ( i.e. condoms, IUD's, etc. ) is a decision better left to the parties involved. It should not be a topic for the church to issue an edict upon, whether for or against.

8. As with the early church, we believe that the only sins that need to be confessed to a priest are: 1. Murder 2. Adultery 3. Heresy. Please feel free to enter into a state of reconciliation based upon quiet reflection and conscience.

9. Clergy should be self supporting, financially, in as much as is possible without unduly interfering with their ministry.

10. As Children of God we are ALL equal. No one is greater of less or than another. As such all members, laity and clergy should treat others and be treated by the loving examples of Our Lord Jesus. Remember, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." , "Love the Lord, thy God, with all thy heart, mind, body and soul", and, most importantly, remember these powerful words of our Lord: " Love one another as I have loved you!"

These are the principles by which this community lives!
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They sound pretty wack to me man as most libs, I'd stay away from them...

[KnightofChrist]

They are also proud to be part of Clergy Families and Friends of Lesbains and Gays, of CFLAG. Not to metion they support abortion as long as you pray alot before you murder you baby. So they are an apostate church. Sad to think of the souls they lead to hell, I pray little fall for this fake "catholic church".

[OLAM Dad]

liturgical unitarians

[jswranch]

They kind of remind me of the Anglicans (28 years of personal experience).

Edited July 1, 2006 by jswranch

[Thy Geekdom Come]

From the front page of their site:

[quote]Although a newly formed rite, we remain in, and honor, the traditions of the Orthodox Catholic churches and the old Catholic Church of Utrecht, Netherlands.[/quote]

The "Old Catholic Church" is a heresy which denies the infallibility of the pope and very quickly descended into liberalism and moral relativism after the First Vatican Council.

I wouldn't want to have anything to do with these folks.

[ReinnieR]

[quote name='AxFactor' post='1015637' date='Jul 1 2006, 12:50 AM']
I was recently asked to do a overhaul on the website [url="http://www.reformedcatholicchurch.org"]http://www.reformedcatholicchurch.org[/url] I'm having trouble understanding how this ties to the traditional catholic church if any and does it pose any threat to the established church.
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i'll be in blue

they'll be in red
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from their website[/color]

[color="#FF6666"]We are all a pilgrim people, part of the greater body of Christ, the Church. We, as a community of faith strive to serve our God to the best of our ability. We endeavor to be the hands and feet of our Lord, Jesus the Christ, and to be Gospel in this world.

As such, the people of The Reformed Catholic Church have prayerfully assembled a statement of principles that this faith community embraces:

Whereas: The Reformed Catholic Church believes that we are all
Children of God, created by God in His image and loved
by Him regardless of our status and/or station in life;

Whereas: He became man, lived a perfect life, suffered, died
and was buried, He then rose from the dead for the
forgiveness of our sins and to give us the gift of life eternal;

Whereas: We are ALL equal in the eyes of God, we the people of
The Reformed Catholic Church submit these Statements of Principles.[/color]


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nick mentioned something on the [b][url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=54255"]unity thread[/url][/b] and i quote
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[quote name='phatcatholic' post='1014997' date='Jun 29 2006, 10:43 PM']
budge.................univeralism (which is what you are basically accusing us of, why not just come out and say it?) subjectivizes truth. it says that what you believe is just as good as what i believe, even if our beliefs contradict. i challenge you to find one sentiment such as this in any of the teachings of the Church. i can tell you right now you won't find one b/c that is not how the Church approaches interfaith dialogue. the Church acknowledges the truths that we share w/ other religions so that we can establish common ground upon which to work. however, such acknowledgement is not simultaneously a turning of the proverbial blind eye towards our elements of disagreement. [b][i]that[/i][/b] would be universalism. the Church is in the business of acknowledging truth (not compromising it) and of bringing to fulfillment the Son's prayer to the Father that all may be one as He and the Father are one. surely this is a noble endeavor, unless of course you wish to charge your Lord and Savior w/ the very crime with which you assail His Church.

have fun in that boat. i prefer the barque of Peter.

pax christi,
phatcatholic
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[color="#FF6666"]1. The Reformed Catholic Church will not tolerate discrimination of ANY type. Therefore; The Reformed Catholic Church does not discriminate in any form of membership regardless of age, gender, health condition, ethnicity or sexual orientation or other religious/spiritual affiliation.[/color]

[color="#3366FF"]and we do??[/color]


[color="#FF6666"]2. All qualified candidates for ministry, as determined by the Formation Committee and The Presiding Bishop, shall be considered and ordained when appropriate regardless of age, gender, ethnicity and/or sexual orientation.[/color]


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i'll let a scholar answer this[/color]



[color="#FF6666"]3. All ministers shall have the right to choose between celibacy, marriage or to remain single as they feel led by God.[/color]

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let's look at the CCC[/color]

[quote]

1580
In the Eastern Churches a different discipline has been in force for many centuries: while bishops are chosen solely from among celibates, married men can be ordained as deacons and priests. This practice has long been considered legitimate; these priests exercise a fruitful ministry within their communities.Moreover, priestly celibacy is held in great honor in the Eastern Churches and many priests have [b]freely[/b] chosen it for the sake of the Kingdom of God. In the East as in the West a man who has already received the sacrament of Holy Orders can no longer marry.
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[quote]
1599
In the Latin Church the sacrament of Holy Orders for the presbyterate is normally conferred only on candidates who are ready to embrace celibacy [b]freely[/b] and who publicly manifest their[/quote]


[color="#FF0000"]4. All first marriages are indeed blessed by God, in as much, subsequent marriages/unions are also blessed by God and shall be blessed by the Church as entered into by consenting adults.

5. As all marriages/unions are blessed, we believe that divorce should be a last resort. Counseling and prayerful meditation should be used by all committed couples before divorcing. The Reformed Catholic Church does acknowledge that in some instances no amount of counseling and meditation can save a marriage that cannot be saved.[/color]


[color="#3366FF"]divorce???

i don't think so[/color]


[color="#FF0000"]6. While we believe that life begins at conception, the Reformed Catholic Church does acknowledge that under some circumstance abortion may be used and is not in and of itself a sin. Abortion should not be used as a form of birth control but may be used in instances of rape/incest or when the mother’s life may be endangered. Much prayerful meditation is recommended for the parties involved and both parties should be in agreement before the abortion takes place.[/color]

[color="#3366FF"]adoption????[/color]



[color="#FF0000"]7. The use of birth control, ( i.e. condoms, IUD's, etc. ) is a decision better left to the parties involved. It should not be a topic for the church to issue an edict upon, whether for or against.[/color]


[color="#3366FF"]it's a moral issue. why shouldn't our church instruct us not to offend our God. not to frustrate the divine plan.

there's NFP[/color]


8[color="#FF0000"]. As with the early church, we believe that the only sins that need to be confessed to a priest are: 1. Murder 2. Adultery 3. Heresy. Please feel free to enter into a state of reconciliation based upon quiet reflection and conscience.
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[color="#3366FF"]why wouldn't i want to confess my sins to a priest regularly? it's sacramental. i receive grace through it.[/color]


[color="#FF0000"]9. Clergy should be self supporting, financially, in as much as is possible without unduly interfering with their ministry.

10. As Children of God we are ALL equal. No one is greater of less or than another. As such all members, laity and clergy should treat others and be treated by the loving examples of Our Lord Jesus. Remember, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." , "Love the Lord, thy God, with all thy heart, mind, body and soul", and, most importantly, remember these powerful words of our Lord: " Love one another as I have loved you!"

These are the principles by which this community lives!

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[color="#3366FF"]Golden Rule

we teach that too[/color]

Edited July 1, 2006 by ReinnieR

[cmotherofpirl]

So they are pretend catholics.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1015706' date='Jul 1 2006, 10:54 AM']
So they are pretend catholics.
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Basically. There's a whole chapter on them in "Dissent from the Creed."

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

A Church of Relativism.

Edited July 1, 2006 by thedude

[ReinnieR]

[quote name='thedude' post='1015719' date='Jul 1 2006, 10:59 AM']
A Church of Relativism.
[/quote]
like einstein's theory

[dspen2005]

heresy

[AxFactor]

So I guess my final question is that if I do take the job, will I be aiding in leading others astray even if i don't take their views seriously. I mean I am in no way an idiot when it comes to what I beleive in my catholic faith, and if I do this which I view as a job and nothing more. Will I be aiding in leading others away?

[ReinnieR]

[quote name='AxFactor' post='1015728' date='Jul 1 2006, 11:20 AM']
So I guess my final question is that if I do take the job, will I be aiding in leading others astray even if i don't take their views seriously. I mean I am in no way an idiot when it comes to what I beleive in my catholic faith, and if I do this which I view as a job and nothing more. Will I be aiding in leading others away?
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will you work at a planned parent hood clinic even as a receptionist?