Cardinal fears Church could face court on abortion

[cmotherofpirl]

Cardinal fears Church could face court on abortion
Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:04 AM ET



By Robin Pomeroy

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Catholic Church could one day be prosecuted for its right-to-life stance by some countries where abortion is considered a woman's right, a senior Vatican cardinal said in an interview published on Thursday.

Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, head of the Pontifical Council for the Family, criticized several Western countries for allowing abortion and introducing gay marriage and civil unions.

"I fear that faced with current legislation, speaking in defense of life, of the rights of the family, is becoming in some societies a crime against the state, a form of disobedience of the government, a discrimination against women.

"The Church risks being brought in front of some international court, if the debate gets any more tense, if the most radical opinions are heeded," Lopez Trujillo told Famiglia Cristiana, a Catholic Italian weekly.

Last week, another cardinal said he feared human rights group Amnesty International might start campaigning against countries that make abortion a crime. The group said it was discussing the issue but no decision had been made.

In his interview, Lopez Trujillo, a 70-year-old Colombian, said scientists who experiment on embryonic stem cells should be viewed in the same light as abortionists and be barred by the Church from taking Communion.

"Destroying an embryo equals abortion and that excommunication goes for the woman, the doctors and the scientists who eliminate the embryo," he said.

The Church teaches that communion bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ and that those in a state of sin should not receive it. The sanction automatically applies for people who perform abortions.

The cardinal singled out Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands and Nordic countries for "exporting" socially liberal policies, particularly granting homosexual and non-married heterosexual couples the same rights as married men and women.

"We are changing the definitions about life: male and female, father and mother are disappearing. Everyone becomes a 'partner'," he said.

"Civil unions are a legal fiction, two people who promise each other nothing, who promise nothing to their children nor to the state but want the same rights as marriage." He said gay marriage was "absolute nothingness".

Italy's new centre-left government plans to grant certain legal rights for unmarried couples, including gay ones, but Catholic members of Italy's Prime Minister Romano Prodi's coalition have blocked any move to recognizing gay marriage.

[thessalonian]

Be not afraid.

[Budge]

You folks do realize the Vatican supported the idea of one world--national sovereignity hating--United Nations international world court?

One of the many many reasons I am no longer Catholic is Rome's support for the Globalist one world order.

I remember posting years ago that they DONATED even MONEY to its founding.
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Papal support for international court

Jun. 15, 1998

VATICAN (CWNews.com) --[font="Arial Black"] Pope John Paul II (bio - news) has greeted the opening of an international conference, held in Rome, dedicated to the creation of a permanent international court.

The court is intended to judges the perpetrators of war crimes and other crimes against humanity. Speaking on Sunday, June 14, at the close of his weekly Angelus audience, the Holy Father voiced the hope that such a tribunal would mark "a historic moment in the mutual comprehension among peoples" of the world.
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The Pope also said that the Holy See would be an active participant in the conference setting the stage for an international court. Some critics have said that such a court could eventually become involved in the politics of individual nations, enforcing the declared policies of the United Nations-- including those UN statements which call for legalized abortion on demand. The Pope seemed to be taking such criticisms into account when he said that any international court must ensure that "all fundamental and inalienable human rights are adequately protected."
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[url="http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=7859"]ROME SUPPORTS INTERNATIONAL COURT[/url]

Maybe you folks ought to ask yourselves why the Vatican loves the death culture promoting United Nations so much?

[img]http://www.abc.net.au/news/indepth/pope/pics/pope_un.jpg[/img]

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

The Vatican recognizes that the UN has a lot of resources and global authority. The Church would like to influence it to do what is right.

[goldenchild17]

I hope it turns out that way. At this point I agree with him on this, but that's part of my whacko conspiracy theory stuff .

[Budge]

[quote]The Vatican recognizes that the UN has a lot of resources and global authority. The Church would like to influence it to do what is right.[/quote]

The Vatican supports greater power for the United Nations.

it does not care about national soveriegnity.

This is FORNICATION WITH KINGS as warned of in Revelation.

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Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.[/quote]

The United Nations is the biggest death culture organization in the world, promoting legalization of prostitution, abortion, and euthansia.

Rome is making deals with the devil.

Edited June 29, 2006 by Budge

[MichaelF]

[quote name='Budge' post='1014668' date='Jun 29 2006, 03:39 PM']
The Vatican supports greater power for the United Nations.

it does not care about national soveriegnity.

This is FORNICATION WITH KINGS as warned of in Revelation.
The United Nations is the biggest death culture organization in the world, promoting legalization of prostitution, abortion, and euthansia.

Rome is making deals with the devil.
[/quote]


Here it comes, kids.

Behold, the Evangelical/Anti-Catholic frothing begins...

Essentially, the electronic version of a Chick Tract.

Edited June 29, 2006 by MichaelF

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='Budge' post='1014668' date='Jun 29 2006, 04:39 PM']
The Vatican supports greater power for the United Nations.

it does not care about national soveriegnity.

This is FORNICATION WITH KINGS as warned of in Revelation.
The United Nations is the biggest death culture organization in the world, promoting legalization of prostitution, abortion, and euthansia.

Rome is making deals with the devil.
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I agree the UN is, morally, a terrible organization but I realize it is a powerful vehicle for good if it can be harnessed. It is one of the few nations that is not a full member of the UN. Like the US and virtually every other nation, it holds membership in a number of international organizations. You can't be an outsider and create change.
Have you read John Paul's address to the UN? There is a whole section titled "The Rights of Nations". He does not sound like a globalist to me.
[url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/1995/october/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_05101995_address-to-uno_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_pau...-to-uno_en.html[/url]

Edited June 30, 2006 by thedude