Pope Clement I

[jswranch]

Wikipedia says he is not the same:
There is no ground for identifying him with the Clement mentioned in Philippians 4:3 [1].

Reference
1^ "Writers of the 3rd and 4th cents., like Origen, Eusebius, and Jerome, equate him [St. Clement I], perhaps, correctly, with the Clement whom St. Paul mentions (Phil. 4:3) as a fellow worker." — Kelly (1985). The Oxford Dictionary of Popes, p. 7, Oxford University Press.


The reference seems to disprove the statement.

[Norseman82]

First of all, Wikipedia's content is editable, so it may not always be accurate. But that could be a blessing in disguise; you can go ahead and make an edit basd on the Church fatehrs you quoted.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

I made an edit today on the deuterocanonical article. It said Josephus rejected the seven books but failed to point out that Josephus was not a Christian!

[jswranch]

Thanks for the tips on changing Wikipedia. However, the question still remains: Can we proclaim that Clement of Rome is the same guy from Phil 4:3?

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

I would do it. Perhaps the "no" in the statement, judging from the reference, was a mistake or the product of a vandal.

[jswranch]

[quote name='thedude' post='1011741' date='Jun 24 2006, 06:58 PM']
I would do it. Perhaps the "no" in the statement, judging from the reference, was a mistake or the product of a vandal.
[/quote]
This is my new protestant 'ice breaker."

In a convesation on what the early church looks like, I ask a question like, "With all the different churches proclaiming to be like the early, would it not be nice to see what guys like Clement thought. He is the guy in Phil 4:3."

When they respond, 'yes.' I get to open their eyes to the early church fathers.... yeah haw..

I just want to be sure about the Clement thingy.

Edited June 26, 2006 by jswranch

[Guest JeffCR07]

[quote name='jswranch' post='1012243' date='Jun 25 2006, 09:13 PM']
This is my new protestant 'ice breaker."

In a convesation on what the early church looks like, I ask a question like, "With all the different churches proclaiming to be like the early, would it not be nice to see what guys like Clement thought. He is the guy in Phil 4:3."

When they respond, 'yes.' I get to open their eyes to the early church fathers.... yeah haw..

I just want to be sure about the Clement thingy.
[/quote]

hahaha, I love it

[thessalonian]

One certainly cannot prove whether he is or isn't from scripture. To say that he definitely isn't is to argue from silence. To give tradition no weight in the matter is foolish.

[jswranch]

We cannot certainly say Clement I and Clement of Phil 4:3 is the same person.

IOT remove all doubt, I called Catholic Answers and spoke to Jimmy Akin on the issue. He confirmed we cannot be certain. However, he stated multiple church fathers confirmed the relevance.


So, we may conclude:

[s]"St. Pope Clement I is the same Clement of Phil 4:3."[/s]

"Multiple early church fathers claim St. Pope Clement I is the same Clement of Phil 4:3."


Shame on me for not asking which early church fathers.

[jswranch]

[quote name='JeffCR07' post='1012334' date='Jun 26 2006, 04:03 AM']
hahaha, I love it
[/quote]
You can do the same thing with Shephard of Hermas and Rom 16:14. BTW, if anyone every doubts these references (Hermas and Clement), there is some evidence provided at New Advent.