cmotherofpirl Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 and total depravity teaches we can't even ask - if God has not given us life WE don't believe in total depravity, its not biblical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 WE don't believe in total depravity, its not biblical. i'm sorry i disagree. if you wish me to argue it in a thread and give you a list of verses that you can't dispute again just let me know :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 i can't believe you just said that LOL!...why? did I beat you to it? :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Protestant Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I really don't care to listen to any Protestant preachers. My priest is very good so why go downhill? I think that was uncalled for. :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 So, Proud Protestant, who is your favorite Catholic preacher? Pax Christi. <>< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 (edited) That might be a difficult one for him to answer Anna! We don't get very many preachers of any faith preaching on our TV over here so they only way you'd get to hear one from another denomination is if you specifically attended a church/retreat or were given a tape from someone. I have been unfamiliar with most of the names mentioned in this thread despite having been a Christian for many years. The exceptions to this of course is C.S Lewis, obligatory for ALL Christians :D and Scott Hahn who I was introduced to through Phatmass and who is fast becoming one of my favourites! :D p.s. everyone: I know the Catholic church is not regarded as a 'denomination', just didn't know how else to say what I was trying to say! Edited January 5, 2004 by Ellenita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Ellenita you would enjoy the writings of Peter Kreeft and Mark Shea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Thanks cmom! I will see if I can buy anything they have written at Amazon UK - I've found it's not easy buying catholic authors in mainstream bookshops over here, though I have yet to try the bookshop at Westminster Cathedral! It's frustrating waiting for books to be delivered I can tell you! :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 you can find mark shea at www.mark-shea.com i believe. Joseph Stowell (President of Moody Bible Institute) did a series of preaching on Church History - if someone could find it i'll buy them a lollipop. I'd be interested in hearing it - it has had extremely good reviews from friends I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freegrace Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 (edited) I don't even know if this thread is till on the topic but I must have my voice in this one. I would say by far CJ Mahaney and C.H. Spurgeon are my favorite. If you would like to hear CJ (very passionate) go to www.covlife.org you can download some of his sermons, hes incredibly gifted. Also here is a list John Piper Dr. Al Mohler Martyn Lloyd-Jones John Macarthur Johnathan Edwards (sinners in the hands of an angry God) (edit) Total depravity is not biblical because....... Job 14:4 What clean comes from the unclean Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins Rom. 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [24] and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, [25] whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. [26] It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Im sorry I just want to be faithful to that which is "God breathed" .. scripture for those of you who aren't familiar with 2 tim 3:16. Edited January 6, 2004 by freegrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 (edited) Im sorry I just want to be faithful to that which is "God breathed" .. scripture for those of you who aren't familiar with 2 tim 3:16. Anybody here unfamiliar with the Bible? If we could just back up a couple of verses, to 2 Timothy 3:14... 14 But you, remain faithful to what you have learned and believed, because you know from whom you learned it, 15 and that from infancy you have known (the) sacred scriptures, which are capable of giving you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 3 4 All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness, The Apostles were taught by Christ Himself, who built a Church upon Peter, (rock) the first pope. The Early Church was Catholic, and the Apostles were our first bishops. St. Paul teaches us to remain faithful to what we have learned and believed, because our teachings came directly from the mouth of Christ, through His Apostles, and were handed down to us. Nearly 400 years after the birth of Our Church on Pentecost, we compiled all our inspired writings and letters together, which we call the New Testament, and bound them together with the Old Testament, calling the book, La Biblia, the Bible. So, yeah, since we wrote it, we're familiar with it. In fact, Our Church infallibly interprets Scripture, because Christ promised the Holy Spirit would guide His Church in all truth. Welcome to phatmass, and I hope you stay and get to know us better! Pax Christi. <>< Edited January 6, 2004 by Anna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Anybody here unfamiliar with the Bible? I could name a few! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Name away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Some people know the words and can quote chapter and verse, but often do not have the correct interpretation. Others have the essence of the Word written upon their hearts, and embrace the Truth without citing chapter and verse. Pax Christi. <>< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Some people know the words and can quote chapter and verse, but often do not have the correct interpretation. I've seen quite a bit of that! *mutter* the end of romans 1 being Christians - what is the world coming to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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