Anna Posted January 4, 2004 Share Posted January 4, 2004 (edited) Anna, what has happened recently that has made you so bitter? Anything we can help with? Oh, thank you for inquiring Circle Master. It's nothing that has happened recently, actually it started a long time ago, when I was a little girl. *reclines on the sofa* Let me tell you all about my childhood... Are you taking this down? :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: I have one simple question for you...what makes you think you can come onto this phorum, set your own rules for debate, ban people who you are unable to refute from the discussion, and zero in on folks in a personal manner when they begin to show that you are in error? This isn't about me, or about bitterness, it's about Truth. And accepting or rejecting it. I can tell by the way you snarl at Likos across the threads that he hits a nerve with you. I won't sit by and watch you diss a good man. Pax Christi. <>< Edited January 4, 2004 by Anna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 4, 2004 Author Share Posted January 4, 2004 (edited) My comment in essence is simple: his teachings can't possibly hold a candle to Pope John Paul II's. Period. ? Not aware that Bob Coy CLAIMED to be the Vicar of Christ on Earth. He is just the most interesting preacher I've heard. Funny, literate, to the point. Sorry if we now have to be THE BEST in the universe now to be worth listening too. I guess that rules out Bishop Fulton Sheen now too. Hey guys.... These are preachers, period. They educate, teach, entertain. Not speak "Ex-Cathedra" every Sunday. Edited January 4, 2004 by Bruce S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 4, 2004 Share Posted January 4, 2004 I have one simple question for you...what makes you think you can come onto this phorum, set your own rules for debate, ban people who you are unable to refute from the discussion, and zero in on folks in a personal manner when they begin to show that you are in error? You misunderstand me. I think I have shown myself to be fully aware of what I believe, and fully able to defend myself. I am not afraid of anyone here in a debate, however, when obvious lies, and obvious insults are thrown onto the field with responses that have no content, just merely yelling 'we are the Church, you are wrong!' I begin to wonder why you are even on this debate board. Are you debating, or attempting to evangelize? I am here to debate, to learn, you are here to throw Catholic ways down my throat. There is a big difference. Even Likos, who has some major errors seems to be extremely stubborn and refuses to consider. Stubbornness is not faith, it is arrogance. I enjoy to debate, I do not enjoy people trying to cram Catholicism down my throat when there are many obvious errors in it I am still attempting to discuss. So I would suggest if you do post, please make it deal with the content I give, and keep it concise, and have it show why it is wrong, and then make your counter point. Not adding two paragraphs of why 'to be deep in history is to be Catholic' and another two of 'can't you stand the light of the TRUTH little protestant??'. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 4, 2004 Author Share Posted January 4, 2004 , however, when obvious lies, and obvious insults are thrown onto the field with responses that have no content, just merely yelling 'we are the Church, you are wrong!' I begin to wonder why you are even on this debate board. Are you debating, or attempting to evangelize? I am here to debate, to learn, you are here to throw Catholic ways down my throat. There is a big difference. Even Likos, who has some major errors seems to be extremely stubborn and refuses to consider. Stubbornness is not faith, it is arrogance. I enjoy to debate, I do not enjoy people trying to cram Catholicism down my throat when there are many obvious errors in it I am still attempting to discuss. Good luck Circle. Welcome to Catholicm. This is the reality of things, and why so many leave it. If you take the time to actually interact with online Catholics, you quickly learn this is how it is. They don't really debate things, they STATE DOGMA, and you are to sit like a puppy dog and learn things. However, when the gaping holes are discussed, you will only get one of two responses. First: massvive document dumps, where some theologian will spend months telling you what is CLEARLY wrong, isn't, and if you can't understand it, it is YOUR fault for not being "edumakated nuff" and if your were, you would. Grin. OR... You just get the "Lemming Effect" I call that the tendency to simply state... We are right, no matter what. You are getting both barrels here with both approaches. In reality, DEBATE, that is, give and take, with BOTH sides conceding points NEVER happens in Catholic debates, they NEVER EVER concede a point, no matter how obvious. They defend the entire body of dogma, even the errors, as right, and if you COMPLETELY score a massive point, you won't get a reply. Noticing this yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted January 4, 2004 Share Posted January 4, 2004 What is your mission here Bruce? All you do is bash us and make subtle insults at our faith. I'm done putting up with it. You continue to bash us and hold yourself over us. Have you read any of YOUR recent posts? Your tone here is very anti-Catholic, and you already told us you were anti-Catholic. You obviosuly could care less about learning about Catholcism, all you want to do is bash us and hope that a weakling joins your side. There are no weak ones here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 4, 2004 Author Share Posted January 4, 2004 You obviosuly could care less about learning about Catholcism, all you want to do is bash us and hope that a weakling joins your side. There are no weak ones here. This is a debate forum. There are two sides to a debate. I have stated over and over, I'm NOT HERE to "learn about Catholicm" but to point out it's flaws. There is no duplicity here, I'm not about to get sucked back into that man made machine that enslaves men. Sorry if you misunderstood what debating means. If I wanted to "learn about" Catholicm, I would go and read the CCC for the hundredth time. I don't. I want to interact with Catholics, and point out where Protestants disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 4, 2004 Share Posted January 4, 2004 Bruce you keep missing the obvious as well. This is a CATHOLIC board, the chances of us "conceding" anything on Dogma are not possible, even if hell freezes over. It iisn't possible for us to deny Truth. If we started denying truth, we would be a "protester" just like you. Now if we are discussing disciplines, which the way things are carried out, and things that can be changed, subjects that are open to debate (like evolution) that is different and we can quite happily discuss it. You will be much happier ( and hopefully nicer) once you learn the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted January 4, 2004 Share Posted January 4, 2004 This is a debate forum. There are two sides to a debate. I have stated over and over, I'm NOT HERE to "learn about Catholicm" but to point out it's flaws. There is no duplicity here, I'm not about to get sucked back into that man made machine that enslaves men. Sorry if you misunderstood what debating means. If I wanted to "learn about" Catholicm, I would go and read the CCC for the hundredth time. I don't. I want to interact with Catholics, and point out where Protestants disagree. Hundreth time??? We're trying to get you to read it for the first, but you keep calling it a 'text dump'. Look up the word "debate": Main Entry: 2debate Function: verb Inflected Form(s): de·bat·ed; de·bat·ing Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French debatre, from Old French, from de- + batre to beat, from Latin battuere Date: 14th century intransitive senses : to contend in words : to discuss a question by considering opposed arguments : to participate in a debate transitive senses Spouting off without considering the opposing arguement is not debate. It's just an act of stubborn ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 4, 2004 Author Share Posted January 4, 2004 : to discuss a question by considering opposed arguments OK. What Protestant position might YOU "consider" as correct? Prove me wrong here.... :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 4, 2004 Author Share Posted January 4, 2004 This is a CATHOLIC board, the chances of us "conceding" anything on Dogma are not possible, even if hell freezes over. It iisn't possible for us to deny Truth. If we started denying truth, we would be a "protester" just like you. Point made. Debate isn't possible. Disagreement IS. Reread my previous answer to Circle. This is EXACTLY what I was stating to him. Hell will freeze over before Catholics will INTERACT, in any other mode than to tell you they are RIGHT and everyone else is WRONG. Grin. Hey, have a nice Sunday gang, going to my heathen service now, we will have communion today, of course, it will be the SYMBOLIC version, without being consecrated by a Priest. I guess it won't count then, but hey, we try anyway. Bless you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 4, 2004 Share Posted January 4, 2004 (edited) OK. What Protestant position might YOU "consider" as correct? Prove me wrong here.... We hold many truths in common if you would only look Bruce. God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Trinity. the reality of heaven and hell. Salvation by grace and faith. Edited January 4, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 4, 2004 Author Share Posted January 4, 2004 Salvation by grace and faith. Period?? Without a DENOMINATION being a determining factor? Waiting...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted January 4, 2004 Share Posted January 4, 2004 Get pass the shallowness Bruce. As been explained repeatedly to you, denominations are how people explain and describe their common understanding, belief, and affirmative response to Grace. To reject Grace simply because it's associated with a certain group of people you don't like, is rejecting the Grace of God. Because of human frailties, it's difficult for us to overcome these human predjudices and recognize the Grace in other's denominations. Catholicism merely claims fullness of ALL Graces, and recognizes the Truth and Grace in other denoms. As humans, Catholics struggle to get beyond the human frailties and recongize the Grace in other denominations. The Catholic Church recognizes the Grace of Sacraments in other religions, when they have it. That's why the Catholic Church recognizes the grace of all Christian Baptisms. Thank you for your contibutions to Christians (of various denominations) growing together in love and understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 4, 2004 Author Share Posted January 4, 2004 To reject Grace simply because it's associated with a certain group of people you don't like, is rejecting the Grace of God. Thank you. You just validated Protestants as having the grace and gracEs of God, without a specific denomination. Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 4, 2004 Share Posted January 4, 2004 Thank you. You just validated Protestants as having the grace and gracEs of God, without a specific denomination. Case closed. Bruce nobody ever said protestants didn't have grace. We said they could have more. :cyclops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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