Hillary Blasts 'War on Contraception'

[Norseman82]

What are the babies thinking? Hmm.....

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[Ash Wednesday]

Couldn't keep up the pseudo-conservative appearances long enough for the White House, eh Hillary? Keep talking. We all know you're a nutter.

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1011290' date='Jun 24 2006, 12:19 AM']
Couldn't keep up the pseudo-conservative appearances long enough for the White House, eh Hillary? Keep talking. We all know you're a nutter.
[/quote]
Right.....I agree!

Too many people like her lots but have no idea what she stands for.

If they only knew Very scary, indeed.

[Birgitta Noel]

[quote name='ironmonk' post='1011099' date='Jun 23 2006, 06:52 PM']
If the sperm meets the egg, there is a human. The child is innocent.
Knowing when ovulation occurs is not exact science.

God Bless,
ironmonk
[/quote]

I am in agreement with all that the good father says.

As IM says, determining when ovulation occurs is not an exact science, but we are able to discern relatively precisely whether or not it has occured.

The difficulty about discerning ovulation is precisely where the disagreement enters in Catholic health care.

There are essentially three camps:

1) Pregnancy Approach: those who say that if a pregnancy test post rape is negative that ec may be given (if the test is positive it is not from the rape, pregnancy doesn't register on the test that early);

2) Ovulation Approach: Those who say that if it can be discerned that the woman is not ovulating or is past ovulation (ie more than 24 hours so any egg is no longer viable) that ec may be given as it will either prevent ovulation (pre) or will have no effect (post) (Note: this requires the ascertainment of levels of lutenizing hormone and progesterone and the evaluation of cervical mucus can also be useful). If it is believed that ovulation cannot be prevented, ie the process has already begun, then this approach does not give the ec as the ec will not stop the ongoing process (it can prevent ovulation, but not stop the process) and thus its only mechanism if it is effective would be to stop spermigration or to interfere with a pregnancy;

(NOTE: there is much debate and controversy over both of these approaches, each side accusing the other of various things, ie bad science, bad moral theory, etc)

3) Those who say that ec can never be given since there is still some change that a possible embryo may be affected by the administration of ec.

Option three is generally rejected as a misunderstanding of the Church's teaching on moral certainty as it requires absolute certainty and since this cannot be acquired rejects the possibility of any action. The Church however does not require absolute certainty, but only moral certainty.

Those who support the Pregnancy approach do so because they believe that pregnancy testing fulfils the requirement of moral certainty, that ec does not act abortifaciently (Or that the evidence is inconclusive), and that it is unreasonable to require hospitals to test for ovulation (the properly trained staff is not avail, the delay in ec the test requires further traumatizes the woman, etc.).

Cheers!

Edited June 24, 2006 by Birgitta Noel

[jswranch]

Anyone want to place odds that George W. Bush will become Catholic? His policies seem to be shifting in that direction.

[Birgitta Noel]

[quote name='jswranch' post='1011468' date='Jun 24 2006, 06:09 AM']
Anyone want to place odds that George W. Bush will become Catholic? His policies seem to be shifting in that direction.
[/quote]


I've thought that for sometime. I could see a post-office conversion for him and Tony Blair. Jeb Bush is Catholic so it's not that much of a stretch. And I believe I heard that Cherie (sp?) Blair is also Catholic?

[Cow of Shame]

[quote name='jswranch' post='1011468' date='Jun 24 2006, 07:09 AM']
Anyone want to place odds that George W. Bush will become Catholic?
[/quote]

I seriously doubt it.

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='littleflower+JMJ' post='1011453' date='Jun 24 2006, 12:20 AM']
Right.....I agree!

Too many people like her lots but have no idea what she stands for.

If they only knew Very scary, indeed.
[/quote]

Don't worry. At this point, I think I have more of a chance of becoming a first woman pope than she does becoming president.

[quote name='Birgitta Noel' post='1011469' date='Jun 24 2006, 05:14 AM']
I've thought that for sometime. I could see a post-office conversion for him and Tony Blair. Jeb Bush is Catholic so it's not that much of a stretch. And I believe I heard that Cherie (sp?) Blair is also Catholic?
[/quote]

Yes, she is. I don't know about Bush, as he doesn't have a Catholic wife at his side to throw any weight in the matter, but there have been strong rumors for quite some time that Blair would become Catholic after he leaves office -- both he and his wife have attended numerous private audiences with the pope, and on occasion prior to security issues, Blair attended mass at Westminster Cathedral even without his wife there.

Edited June 24, 2006 by Ash Wednesday

[MC Just]

Hilary is a degenerate.

[God the Father]

[quote name='ironmonk' post='1010914' date='Jun 23 2006, 11:12 AM']
"This war against contraception endangers basic American values.”
[/quote]

I found this funny.

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='Birgitta Noel' post='1011469' date='Jun 24 2006, 05:14 AM']
I could see a post-office conversion for him and Tony Blair.[/quote]

I just re-read this and had a funny image in my mind of Tony Blair waiting in a qeue, buying some stamps and telling the postman receiving packages that he would like to become a Catholic.

[Birgitta Noel]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1012823' date='Jun 26 2006, 09:49 PM']
I just re-read this and had a funny image in my mind of Tony Blair waiting in a qeue, buying some stamps and telling the postman receiving packages that he would like to become a Catholic.
[/quote]
LOL, right after the man behind the counter asks him "What denomination would you like?"