Does Rome still believe in the council of Orange? And grace alone?

[Jnorm888]

I already know the answer to this. I just wanna hear what some of y'all gotta say.





oh one more thing. Does Rome still believe in Total inability?







INLOVE Jnorm

Edited June 21, 2006 by jnorm888

[Aloysius]

Yes, we believe in the Council of Orange

[url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11266b.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11266b.htm[/url]

[quote]In the demonstration which follows the "Capitula" the fathers also reject the doctrine of predestination to evil and declare salvation within the reach of all baptized. The acts of the council, which were signed by the bishops, the pretorian prefect Liberius and seven other distinguished laymen, were forwarded to Rome and approved by Boniface II on 25 January, 531 (see BONIFACE II). They consequently enjoy œcumenical authority and are printed in Denzinger's "Enchiridion Symbolorum" (10th ed., nos. 174-200).[/quote]

[jswranch]

[quote name='jnorm888' post='1009949' date='Jun 21 2006, 02:13 PM']
Does Rome still believe in Total inability?
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I'm not sure of your definition of total inability. I believe the church supports and defines that man can do nothing of his own power that is good or that brings him to Christianity. All that is good comes from God through his grace. I believe this was redefined at Trent. Trent is a good read anyway, so you may want to check it out. The CCC will also list and explain the beliefs.


As for Orange:
If the church backs out canons of an ecumenical council approved by the pope in areas defining faith and morals, the church is no longer herself.
For Orange II (529AD), here are some interesting canons that the church cannot and will not turn against:


Canon 4. If anyone maintains that God awaits our will to be cleansed from sin, but does not confess that even our will to be cleansed comes to us through the infusion and working of the Holy Spirit, he resists the Holy Spirit himself who says through Solomon, "The will is prepared by the Lord" (Prov. 8:35, LXX), and the salutary word of the Apostle, "For God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).

Canon 7. If anyone affirms that we can form any right opinion or make any right choice which relates to the salvation of eternal life, as is expedient for us, or that we can be saved, that is, assent to the preaching of the gospel through our natural powers without the illumination and inspiration of the Holy Spirit, who makes all men gladly assent to and believe in the truth, he is led astray by a heretical spirit, and does not understand the voice of God who says in the Gospel, "For apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5), and the word of the Apostle, "Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God" (2 Cor. 3:5).

Canon 20. That a man can do no good without God. God does much that is good in a man that the man does not do; but a man does nothing good for which God is not responsible, so as to let him do it.

Edited June 22, 2006 by jswranch

[Semperviva]

Total inability
is there a quick and simple definition of this. never heard that one before