Circle_Master Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 this is an argument for 'anabaptism' from Scripture. I may be getting prophet, I feel a word of the Lord saying you won't read the entire thing. hmmmm http://www.carm.org/questions/baptnec.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 i appreciate that. haha, Kevin Brown better come through this year or we're sending him back. anyways, what I disagree is generally what most non-catholics disagree with....mary's role, veneration of saints, grace through sacraments, etc, etc, etc. all the 'standard' stuff so to speak. i've been on this phorum a long time now, and am confident that i understand what the Church teaches about these things. yet I still disagree. i really don't want to rehash all this stuff.....i opened a thread a while ago in which I stated where I currently stand with Catholicism and what I had learned here, and how my beliefs had not changed. trust me, any new discussion about 'me' would not go anywhere meaningful. Mulls I am confused. How do you reconcile your beliefs that we are wrong on this stuff with the fact that this stuff has always been taught by the Church from the very beginning? You can't divorce the Church of today from the church of the past for they are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 (edited) here ya go socalscout: Where I Currently Stand thread this too: What I Have Learned From Phatmass Edited January 2, 2004 by mulls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 mulls: trust me, any new discussion about 'me' would not go anywhere meaningful. Fair enough, brother. But please, keep on visiting. (And I'll move you up on my prayer list.) :incense: Not everything is strictly on the strength of your faith alone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 You can't divorce the Church of today from the church of the past for they are the same. Does that include the church of the period from 1100 to 1550? Just wondering... Think LONG and hard before answering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalscout Posted January 2, 2004 Author Share Posted January 2, 2004 (edited) i appreciate that. haha, Kevin Brown better come through this year or we're sending him back. anyways, what I disagree is generally what most non-catholics disagree with....mary's role, veneration of saints, grace through sacraments, etc, etc, etc. all the 'standard' stuff so to speak. i've been on this phorum a long time now, and am confident that i understand what the Church teaches about these things. yet I still disagree. i really don't want to rehash all this stuff.....i opened a thread a while ago in which I stated where I currently stand with Catholicism and what I had learned here, and how my beliefs had not changed. trust me, any new discussion about 'me' would not go anywhere meaningful. Thanks, I'll leave you alone. God Bless. P.S. Yo can have KB we need NOMAR! Edited January 2, 2004 by socalscout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Does that include the church of the period from 1100 to 1550? Just wondering... Think LONG and hard before answering. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 what distress are you speaking of? Your previous post: In the fall, I went away to college, and really hit the skids. I got into partying, drinking, chasing girls, blah blah blah, all the stuff that I was never into in high school but now loving in college. And my family even encouraged me to let loose a little, since I was a good kid and could be trusted enough to enjoy myself while making so-called 'smart decisions.' So I was having the time of my life in college, though I still communicated with John over the phone. I would feel a little guilty talking to him, since I knew I was living the life that he left behind. God started convicting me a bit. But I still did my party thing at college. But I also still went to mass and prayed, without feeling guilty. I even went to a weekend retreat with my home parish, which was a very, very emotional event. Many kids from my graduating class had attended during high school, and were not back at 'team leaders.' I was so shocked and suprised that everybody came together like this for God, but at the same time, I knew how these people lived their lives, and it disturbed me to hear them talking about going back home and partying and sex and drugs during such a serious event. And these are people supposedly trying to lead people to God. Despite the hypocrisy, the retreat was very powerful and emotional, I came away with the feeling that God had something big, really big, in store for me...and boy did He ever. When I came home for the summer, I resumed hanging out with John, and this time he started laying it on a little more thick: more bible stuff, specifically chipping away at catholicism (no praying to mary or saints, no purgatory seen in the bible. he was raised the same as me). I knew he wouldn't lie to me, and I always believed in the bible, even though I never read it nor was ever encouraged to read it. So I figured maybe John was really on to something with this stuff. Finally he started encouraging me to come to church with him (an Assembly of God church). At the time he was involved in youth ministry at his church, so I went to a week-night meeting where the youth pastor preached to the kids. Well, I had never heard actual preaching before, and I fell in love with it. I saw somebody who was fired up about God, and I liked it. I told him I wanted to go to a Sunday service, so I did. I was kinda nervous about skipping mass, since I was told that this was totally different, but I was very interested, so I went. Immediately, I was struck by ethnic diversity in the congregation, as well as the worship and praising. I was shocked to see so many people happy and cheerful about church and about God, and I thought to myself this is how it should be. However, the sermon made me feel very uncomfortable, because for the very first time in my lifeI heard the Truth, the Gospel....and heard it in a way that made it real and personal and tangible. It was messing with me, while I was hearing it and all throughout the week. I was all hung up over this "sin" thing. I know I had always believed in Jesus, and was a good person, and went to mass, and tried to be as good a person as I though possible, but all of a sudden that didn't seem to be enough. I realized I was a convicted sinner, and I had never really listened to God, nonetheless dedicate my life to him. I knew my life was changing, but I figured I would just put it off another week...I wanted at least one last party. Well, my friend has an annual memorial day party (or veterans day....whichever one is in late may/early june, i forget). That night, we end up back at my house, where my mom and stepdad were away for the week, so we played drinking games. Well, after that night I felt totally guilty for my actions, and was mad that God was messing with me like this. But I knew I had to go back to church. especially and was mad that God was messing with me like this. and I was completely shaken in the fact that I had been misled for so many years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 THERE WERE NO VERBAL HAMMERS. - IF THERE WERE - PROVE IT. I SUGGEST THAT THIS STOP GETTING DELETED. -ironmonk what the heck kind of post is that ironmonk. if he was, he was. who are you to dispute his life? Does the Magisterium have a vote on that out already too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Mulls I am confused. How do you reconcile your beliefs that we are wrong on this stuff with the fact that this stuff has always been taught by the Church from the very beginning? I think it is safe to say, "because it wasn't" Even Mark Shea admits to a growth in doctrines over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 (edited) Does that include the church of the period from 1100 to 1550? Just wondering... Think LONG and hard before answering. Do YOU ever think Long and Hard???? Is one person, or a few people, the ENTIRE Catholic Church when they screw up and sin? Then is one person, or a few people, the ENTIRE Catholic Church when they do good? Your post is as nonsensical as rejecting all of Christianity on the merits of Jim Jones alone. You're killing me with boredom. :funeral: Edited January 2, 2004 by jasJis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Is one person, or a few people, the ENTIRE Catholic Church when they screw up and sin? Then is one person, or a few people, the ENTIRE Catholic Church when they do good? or the entire council of cardinals? Which somehow got 3 popes in office at the same time, and then oo 'idea' only the Italian ones were considered true popes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 or the entire council of cardinals? Which somehow got 3 popes in office at the same time, and then oo 'idea' only the Italian ones were considered true popes? I'm pretty sure that prots preach that the stae of Being Perfect, is God's, and that no person is sinless. (Even Catholics limit the sinless thing to Mary, who still needed special Graces for that.) No Catholic correctly tells you (as has been repeated ad naseaum) that the Church is perfect in everything. It's infallible in it's official teaching of Faith and Morals. Do you know all the circumstances of the incident you alluded to? What part of imperfect human nature play in it? What part of Divine Providence corrected it and helped the Church to remain in lively existence this day? Hmmm..... Is Jim Jones or Tammy Fae Baker the embodiment of the Protestant Faith. Is the ex-president of the Confrence of Southern Baptists (the nearest thing to a pope they've got) who just got out of jail for embezzlement of church funds, arson, larcony, etc., etc., the embodiment of all Southern Baptists? I don't think so either. Thank God there was sufficient grace to help that conglomeration of Christians to survive as an organization. (Gotta be careful of that 'denomination' word. But let's check back in 300 years and see who's standing??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 what is the "official teaching of faith" which is infallible currently. and what is the "official teaching of morals" which is infallible currently. And you don't believe your own doctrine to be infallible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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