cathgirl Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 I was just wondering if there are any other denominations that celebrate the Eucharist. (I think that Episcapilians(don't know how to spell it) do) If other denominations do, is it real or is the Catholic Church the only Church that can truly say that Christ is present? Thanks and God Bless!! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXpenguin21 Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 my dad is lutheran (part of the missouri synod) and i know that he has told me that his church believs that both Jesus and the bread are present, which is different than cahtolics who believe that it's all Jesus and no bread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXpenguin21 Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 any lutherans out there, please correct me if i'm wrong, or if your church believes something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 lutherans believe in consubstantiation and not transubstantiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_rev Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 I believe the Methodist church also does it, because my friend talked about it one day, how they don't have communion every sunday, but like once a month. I don't think though they believe it is Jesus present. Likewise we as catholics can recieve it 365 times a year and more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathgirl Posted January 1, 2004 Author Share Posted January 1, 2004 Yeah, I think that Evangelical Frees do it too. My friend was talking about it. i don't think they believe in communion w/ Christ's presence though. She said that they had recieved communion the week before, but she said it in a sarcastic way like it was silly that they even did it. God Bless!! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 Many Protestant denomiations have a communion service from once a week to once or twice a year. They serve bread or crackers and wine/ grape juice. They do not have transubstantiation (changing the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ), but a memorial service. Many do not consider it a big deal. CAtholics consider Jesus in the Eucharist as the center of Catholic life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest swamphox Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 here's one for you.... I heard of things like Padre Pio turning the bread into actual flesh and the blood in AB+ I'm certain that you're aware this doesn't happen every time. How does the Catholic church defend the inconsistency of it not turning into something provably flesh or blood on a regular basis? and which also remains provably wine and bread on a regular basis ? there's alot of faith involved in beliving that something tasting like mogandavid is actually blood and my faith only goes so far...it is much more believable to me (and less out-right creepy honestly) for me to believe that it is done as a:representation, b. a rememberance of what took place, and c. on large prayer/ritual as a whole that is sometimes answered in the form of actual provable blood/flesh don't get me wrong, I was born catholic, raised catholic, my mom is still a eucharistic minister (therefor i'd rather not like to trouble her with this...things could become unpleasant) and I still attend mass on a much more regular basis than any of my peers is this purely a faith issue on my part? or has the catholic church come up with a sound defernse on why substance x is said to have become substance Y even though substance X retains all the charectaristics of substance X and none of substance Y? another more plausible explantion for me is that it becomes infused with the holy spirit while remaining bread and wine thereby "spiritually" becomin flesh and blood while still retaining the charechtarisitcs of bread and wine anyhelp would be appreciated feel phree to email me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 alright, the times like lanciano and the like where it takes on the physical charectaristics of flesh and blood is something done by Jesus to increase faith that that happens every time. However, most times He makes it to retain the physical charecteristics simply so that we may receive Him without being grossed out. alright, imagine you are right now looking at a piece of bread. what is that made up of? molocules right? what are the molecules made up of? atoms, right? what are the atoms made up of? ummm... wait a second, science has yet to get close to knowing that. this atoms are only in existence because God wants them to be in existence. and their substance can be whatever God wants it to be. If all the atoms in a piece of bread suddenly changed substance to become the actual Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ, yet all these atoms still stayed in the same place, zoomed back out it still looks and acts like bread and wine. Science isn't advanced enough to detect the substance of the atoms that make it up, and it prolly never will be because that's one of the biggest secrets God's gonna keep from man. So, the structure of the atoms, their bonds and all that other chemistry stuff that i never learned to well, stays the same. the atoms that were combined into molecules are still combined into molecules, but those atoms are no longer whatever elements make up bread and wine, they're the Body/Blood/Soul/Divinity of Jesus Christ, but they still are in the same form as they were when they were ordinary elements, so all physical senses can only see/taste/feel the structure those atoms are in. it's the substance that changes. hope that helps :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_rev Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Ain't it funny when the priest didn't believe in the ture presence of Jesus Christ in his full body, blood, soul, and divinity, that God preformed a miracle and bled. Then scientists claimed "It's a hoax" and then it turns out they did a blood test and it came back positive for human blood from the heart. What a great way God showed us his true miracle, all because of that priest that didn't believe what he was doing. What a wake up call to that priest. This really doesn't relate except for the Eucharist. So, lets thank God, for this miralce to all Catholics and more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 alright, the times like lanciano and the like where it takes on the physical charectaristics of flesh and blood is something done by Jesus to increase faith that that happens every time. However, most times He makes it to retain the physical charecteristics simply so that we may receive Him without being grossed out. alright, imagine you are right now looking at a piece of bread. what is that made up of? molocules right? what are the molecules made up of? atoms, right? what are the atoms made up of? ummm... wait a second, science has yet to get close to knowing that. this atoms are only in existence because God wants them to be in existence. and their substance can be whatever God wants it to be. If all the atoms in a piece of bread suddenly changed substance to become the actual Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ, yet all these atoms still stayed in the same place, zoomed back out it still looks and acts like bread and wine. Science isn't advanced enough to detect the substance of the atoms that make it up, and it prolly never will be because that's one of the biggest secrets God's gonna keep from man. So, the structure of the atoms, their bonds and all that other chemistry stuff that i never learned to well, stays the same. the atoms that were combined into molecules are still combined into molecules, but those atoms are no longer whatever elements make up bread and wine, they're the Body/Blood/Soul/Divinity of Jesus Christ, but they still are in the same form as they were when they were ordinary elements, so all physical senses can only see/taste/feel the structure those atoms are in. it's the substance that changes. hope that helps Aloysius, atoms are made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 i meant to go down to protons and neutrons and electrons. guess i skipped that step. what are protons', neutrons', and electrons' true substance.. then it goes there. :ph34r: just forgetful lil me.. don't pay any attention. :banana: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathgirl Posted January 6, 2004 Author Share Posted January 6, 2004 I heard of things like Padre Pio turning the bread into actual flesh and the blood I read a book called "Relics" ( I don't remember the author, but if you wanna know just tell me and I'll find out ) It had quite a few things about Eucharistic miracles. One time it happened & the blood dried up into 5 different pouch thingys. They were all different sizes & shapes, but they all weighed the same. When I read that I was like HA you unbelievers. It's so frustrating when so many Catholics don't believe in the Eucharist, especially when so many things like this happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 protons are made out of quarks, and electrons are made of leptons. I don't know what neutrons are made out of though. I probably have it all wrong... but if Jesus can rise from the dead and make the blind see...if He, the King of Kings, could humble Himself to become one of us in the flesh, to die on the cross for our sins... couldn't he also be present in the Eucharist? He's God...and with God, anything is possible. you're right in saying that believing in the Real Presence is a leap of faith...and I guess that's what God wants from us. He wants us to live by faith, not by sight. It takes faith to look at Holy Communion and see Jesus, not the bread....and I'm sure the disciples at the Last Supper were just as weirded out when Jesus said "This is my body". But they took and ate of the bread, and Jesus rewarded them with faith. Ask Jesus for faith, and he will give it to you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 protons are made out of quarks, and electrons are made of leptons. I don't know what neutrons are made out of though. I probably have it all wrong... what is the substance of "quarks" and "leptons"? the purpose of going down into the tiniest parts of the bread's existence is to show we truly could not explain what the substance of something is. if the substance of every single "quark" and "lepton" suddenly changed to be the substance of the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Christ, these "quarks" and "leptons" would still retain the same structure related to other "quarks" and "leptons" and thus all physical charecteristics would remain the same. only God truly knows the substance of things :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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