jasJis Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 :rolling: If they taught the same gospel they would be the same church. And dont give me any of this "it is only minor differences that separate them. They are separated none the less. :rolling: The fact still remains that they are not part of Christ's ONE AND ONLY Catholic Church. We seem to be getty shakey now. What do you mean by 'Gospel', mulls? Do you mean the main fundumantal and always True FACTS of Jesus' Salvific Covenant with us? Careful now. You might sound like a Catholic and define some Dogma or Doctrine. RJS, We need to be fair and not identify differences in Discipline as grounds for labeling them as different denominations. We as Catholics know better. And there are degrees of seperation that are determined on the amount and type of Doctrine (Dogma) of Faith that they disagree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 JJ, Fair enough but the fact still remains that all the groups listed are outside of the Catholic Church (expect the Catholic Church of course). No matter how big or small the differences are doesn't really matter they are still different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 The gospel is salvation by Faith, and Faith alone. It breaks down into more parts, but every denomination we consider non-heretical agrees that salvation is by faith alone, and grace alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 uh oh Circle, i can see the next question now... who is the "we" that you are referring to in your post? is it some sort of authority, or your own denomination, or you and your family? why is it that this "we" gets to define what is and isn't non-heretical? heheheh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 well, I would say the Evangelical Theological Society. It seems to be the largest and most powerful society in america. People from all denominations are part of it, and it declares if something is "Evangelical", based on the bible, or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 well, I would say the Evangelical Theological Society. It seems to be the largest and most powerful society in america. People from all denominations are part of it, and it declares if something is "Evangelical", based on the bible, or not. So when was the Evangelical Theological Society created? And I am being serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 http://www.etsjets.org/ check out doctrinal basis and purpose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 http://www.etsjets.org/ check out doctrinal basis and purpose Is this something that you ascribe to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 well, I would say the Evangelical Theological Society. It seems to be the largest and most powerful society in america. People from all denominations are part of it, and it declares if something is "Evangelical", based on the bible, or not. And would you say that the ETS is infallible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 what part about the ETS do you want to be infallible? They don't tell anyone how to interpret the Bible. They do hold discourses to determine if beliefs can be defended from Scripture or not (defining evangelicalism). They also release journals written from it's members (to join you must have at least a Master of Theology), and conferences, and other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 I guess I dont see the point. If they don't claim to be infallable then they just are razzy dazzle bible study group then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 They have released a document on biblical interpretation which every member of the society agree's to. Unfortunately I have not found a version online, only one of the members that I got to look through and discuss. You say there is only contradiction in protestantism. I see much unity as all of these scholars agree on the basis of what Scripture is, and how it must be interpreted (from almost literally EVERY denomination), and they all agree in the trinity, and that the Word of God is the Bible alone, and that it is inerrant in its autographs (i.e. hagiographs). To consider pointing at denominations and saying we are a landslide of lost hope, I would just get you to see parts of what we do agree on. And it is interesting as well, the only difference to the Catholic Church is we believe in Tradition 2 - that the material source, is the full source. Not Tradition 3 - that the material source is only part of the full source. (in specific the part about the Word of God is the Bible alone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 (edited) Look I am not making a real post to this thread because I do not feel I can do it and remain charitable. Suffice it to say Circle Master MANY of us here at Phatmass were protestants. We know what protestants believe because we were protestants, we know what we were tought from the pulpit, and in sunday school, or even private protestant schools. We are not saying that there are 30000 denominations( although my sources putthe number at closer to 21,000 of course mine are about 10 years old) because we don't know what those denominations are, i can count at least 10 differant denominations just with in my family structure. Those of us who have shaken the lies of Protestantism are rather abrupt, it is very personal to us, some of us( not really myself but others here who have said this very thing) are still angery at being lied to for so long. I myself just pity those still under the damned heretical lies thought by Luther and Calvin ( and of course a LOOOOONG list of others) which continue to blind those who love Christ but are seperated from Him by their rejection of His Church. Edited January 3, 2004 by Don John of Austria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 They have released a document on biblical interpretation which every member of the society agree's to. Unfortunately I have not found a version online, only one of the members that I got to look through and discuss. You say there is only contradiction in protestantism. I see much unity as all of these scholars agree on the basis of what Scripture is, and how it must be interpreted (from almost literally EVERY denomination), and they all agree in the trinity, and that the Word of God is the Bible alone, and that it is inerrant in its autographs (i.e. hagiographs). To consider pointing at denominations and saying we are a landslide of lost hope, I would just get you to see parts of what we do agree on. And it is interesting as well, the only difference to the Catholic Church is we believe in Tradition 2 - that the material source, is the full source. Not Tradition 3 - that the material source is only part of the full source. (in specific the part about the Word of God is the Bible alone). So if a denomination doesn't want to agree to this then what? Are they considered not Protestant or Christian or ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 if they disagree, they have no claim to the title "evangelical" - i.e. bible believing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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