Muschi Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 Greetings all- It seems to me that many on this phorum do not like George Bush OR Rush Limbaugh. Why? Rush speaks out against the "leftist" agenda which supports abortion and a host of other things we Catholics don't agree with, so why the anymosity against him? I also noticed a thread regarding George Bush as to whether he was Christian or not. Personally, I feel that he is the most honest President our country has seen for decades. So, he's not Catholic, but I sure don't hold that against him! He seems down to earth and genuine. Anyone care to enlighten me to any views contrary to mine? Note: I posted this on the debate forum because I anticipated the fact that this thread would probably get moved there anyway, but I'm not so stuck in my opinions that I wouldn't enjoy a good but mild debate on this topic since I am not "die-hard" stuck in my above opinions. However, they are the opinions I hold at this time unless someone can give me good SOLID FACTS why I should re-consider. -What say you? - God bless! - Muschi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 amen to that muschi. i'm glad we agree on something :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted December 31, 2003 Share Posted December 31, 2003 He still a politician. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 I like them both despite their personal issues. George seems to have beaten his (alcohol related). Pray for Rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 I like both actually, and enjoy listening to Rush Limbaugh. Though I may not agree on every single thing they both say, many of the times I do. (Hey, I supported Bush during the 2000 elections :D ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty_boy Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 I don't know much about Rush, but that Geddy Lee really rocks. Oops, wrong Rush. Yeah. So. Conservative talk radio rocks 99% of the time. Bill O'Riley is way cool too because he doesnt back the president all the time, he backs the conservative values and even morality on some occasions. Bush I'm really not a huge fan of. He's pushing to give amnesty to 12+ million illegal aliens, and wants to hook them up with jobs. Yeah, that will really help the 6% unemployment rate for us legal citizens. I'm 23, a junior in college, I live in Dallas, and I can't even get a job mowing lawns because all the illegals do it for much less pay. Some people say "they do all the jobs that nobody else would do." I'd have to disagree. I know many students that have and don't mind working as busboys, dishwashers, painters, construction workers, lawn mowers, etc. but can't because the job was given to someone who broke the law to come over to this country, and will do the job for way less than anyone else. Also, when Bush took $38 million from UNFPA, he put it right back into family planning resources here in the states. Planed Parenthood received over $200 million from the government last year and the year before and the year before that.....and Bush has the power to stop that, but he hasn't. Partial Birth Abortion was a good legal battle IF they continue trying to get more laws passed against abortion. On it's own it does nothing. Oh, and they have to make it stick too. I DO like how bush gives tax breaks to small businesses that create more jobs. I'm majoring in Entrepreneurship and want to own my own someday, this will help me out a ton. Saying that Bush is the most moral president in decades might be a little bit of a stretch. What about Reagan and Bush Sr.? Were they not good presidents? He's way better than the last 8 year plague, and that Carter guy that screwed up the economy, Johnson who threw fits all the time, JFK, Nixon, etc. Look who he's being compared to. Anyone can look good compared to those guys. Two cents please :cyclops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 I read a marvelous article on Bush recently, unfortunately I can't find it! Ah! So I'm sorry, but you'll just have to stick with a few tidbits I have. Bush leads must different than presidents in the past. He leads by speaking of visions. To end terrorism, to increase morals, to punish evil. He doesn't plan all of it out, but his constitution is secure, and his close advisors are all extremely qualified and work with him and together to get things done. He is leading as a visionary, and I find it wonderful. I especially thing it is cool when he quotes Isaiah about the starry skies, and other Scripture in his speeches. Go Bush! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty_boy Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Talk is cheap, especially for politicians. Bush can talk all day, but it doesn't mean squat unless he does something about it. Also, he picked SUPER pro-choice Republican Tom Ridge for the homeland security advisor. Bush has also said that he does not intend to get rid of abortion. Poo on him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 well, the senate did make partial-birth abortion illegal this year... and Bush's talk has gotten a LOT accomplished. more than I ever saw under clinton. I'm not sure what you are really talking about. He said he would not tolerate terrorism - he has done a lot He said he is for the morals of our country - church spending is increased He said he is pro-life - getting one man for "homeland security" which has nothing to do with abortion who agree's with it really doesn't matter as long as he is the best qualified for the task He also met terrorism head on and made a homeland security force revamping a severely outdated security system Bush also attends church weekly and bible study weekly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 well except that his 'Spiritual advisor' he speaks with is a protestant ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 I would understand that Matty_boy, but far up north, we don't get many people from Mexico (they prefer the warmer climates). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-I---Love Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 My two cents are that Rush's views are ALL PREDICATABLE...he is as far right as you can go on any issue - as far as I know. It's like no matter the issue the only thinking that will be done is how right he can go on the issue. As for Bush I applaude the pro-life aspect - a BIG aspect The war I don't - yet somehow I kinda think (which is dangerous for me to do) that his actions are a result of honest intentions to do good and bad advice from advisors. CAUTION: Don't take anything I have written here seriously, since I am no politician - and I am NO JUDGE OF ANY MAN ... I am only judging their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 He's pushing to give amnesty to 12+ million illegal aliens, and wants to hook them up with jobs. Yeah, that will really help the 6% unemployment rate for us legal citizens. I'm 23, a junior in college, I live in Dallas, and I can't even get a job mowing lawns because all the illegals do it for much less pay. Some people say "they do all the jobs that nobody else would do." I'd have to disagree. I know many students that have and don't mind working as busboys, dishwashers, painters, construction workers, lawn mowers, etc. but can't because the job was given to someone who broke the law to come over to this country, and will do the job for way less than anyone else. But america is willing to take thier Tax Dollars that theyll never recieve back. You say they get it back in Welfare and medical aide, The fact is, these human beings(illegal aliens is not very christian) pay almost triple into taxes than they use for these services. Not being able to get a job because of them is a stereotypical comment and a cop out. these people get these jobs because they will break thier backs and be loyal to thier employer. Please dont post anything like this again. I am a Proud Mexican American and I find it offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozencell Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 What I find so funny is that I made a poll involving these two people and hardly anyone swung their way, and everyone that posted said that they didn't liek either of these people! Where were you all at then?! Anyhow, I like them both. Especially Rush! And props to Bill, too!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozencell Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 But america is willing to take thier Tax Dollars that theyll never recieve back. You say they get it back in Welfare and medical aide, The fact is, these human beings(illegal aliens is not very christian) pay almost triple into taxes than they use for these services. Not being able to get a job because of them is a stereotypical comment and a cop out. these people get these jobs because they will break thier backs and be loyal to thier employer. Please dont post anything like this again. I am a Proud Mexican American and I find it offensive. I'm not saying anything against any race, but we do have to look at the facts. "Illegal aliens" is not a derogatory term. It is what they are. If you aren't legally supposed to be in the country then you are illegal; an alien is the term used for anyone who comes to America from a foriegn country to live. It's the term used by everyone from Average Joe to Mr. Head Politician, but if you would prefer "illegal immigrants" we'll go with that instead. And saying they take jobs is not a cop out, either. I have personally witnessed on several occasions in two states where Mexicans had the jobs because they were willing to settle for less than Americans. I worked at a restaraunt and the entire kitchen was staffed with Mexicans. Immigration came in one day and loaded them all up and deported them. In a matter of six months, they were all back again with their old jobs. You couldn't get hired as kitchen staff unless all you wanted to do was make salad or slice tomatoes. Another instance was a group of Mexicans being hired on someone's farm because they settled for half the pay and lived in a run-down trailer at the edge of their employer's property so that they wouldn't have to get Green cards or anything. I'm not saying that every Mexican is like that, because I've met a lot of legals also. And I know that there is a lot of laziness in American society, and there are those people that just want everything handed to them without lifting a finger. But to say that it doesn't happen and that saying something like this is a cop-out is untrue. Breaking their backs or not is not really the point. The point is are they supposed to be breaking their backs here in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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