Resurrexi Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 [quote]Well, seeing as how St. Edward's Crown was placed on her head, Elizabeth Tudor was queen. [/quote] having a crown placed upon someone's head does not make that person king or queen. [quote]P.S. Queen Elizabeth wasn't a love child, not that there's anything wrong with that.[/quote] Yes, Elizabeth Tudor was a bastard. Elizabeth was born in AD 1533. HM Catherine of Aragon Queen of England died in AD 1536. And, by the way, Elizabeth Tudor was not a queen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 (edited) [quote name='StThomasMore' post='996685' date='Jun 4 2006, 07:22 PM'] And, by the way, Elizabeth Tudor was not a queen! [/quote] I'm pretty sure every single historian on the planet disagrees. So, St.Thomas, are you a Jacobite? Edited June 5, 2006 by catholicinsd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 (edited) Actually, yes, though that has to do with the Stuart dynasty, [u]not[/u] the Tudor dynasty. Edited June 5, 2006 by StThomasMore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 (edited) [quote name='StThomasMore' post='996690' date='Jun 4 2006, 07:31 PM'] Actually, yes. [/quote] So you support putting the Duke of Bavaria on the British Throne? Well, His Royal Highness doesn't even want the job. So you support putting the Duke of Bavaria on the British Throne? Well, His Royal Highness doesn't even want the job. Jacobites also deny the Queenship of Elizabeth Edited June 5, 2006 by catholicinsd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brendan1104 Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 Henry was an adulturer, he and Anne were never married validly, hence Elizabeth was an illegitimate child; a bastard. Any Catholic will tell you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 [quote name='brendan1104' post='997222' date='Jun 5 2006, 07:25 AM'] Henry was an adulturer, he and Anne were never married validly, hence Elizabeth was an illegitimate child; a bastard. Any Catholic will tell you that. [/quote] Perhaps in the eyes of the Church, but according to English law Elizabeth Tudor wasn't illegtimate, and was rightfully crowned queen. Even Rome acceppted her Queenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' post='997707' date='Jun 5 2006, 03:15 PM'] Perhaps in the eyes of the Church, but according to English law Elizabeth Tudor wasn't illegtimate, and was rightfully crowned queen. Even Rome acceppted her Queenship. [/quote] [quote name='cappie' post='996667' date='Jun 4 2006, 04:54 PM'] Pius V, April 27, 1570: POPE PIUS V'S BULL AGAINST QUEEN ELIZABETH I OF ENGLAND: He that reigneth on high, to whom is given all power in heaven and earth, has committed one holy Catholic and apostolic Church, outside of which there is no salvation, to one alone upon earth, namely to Peter, the first of the apostles, and to Peter's successor, the Pope of Rome, to be by him governed in fullness of power.... [b][We] deprive the same Elizabeth of her pretended title to the crown.... We charge and command all and singular the nobles, subjects, peoples and others afore said that they do not dare obey her orders, mandates and laws. Those who shall act to the contrary we include in the like sentence of excommunication....[/b] [/quote] [quote name='catholicinsd' post='997707' date='Jun 5 2006, 03:15 PM'] Perhaps in the eyes of the Church, but according to English law Elizabeth Tudor wasn't illegtimate, and was rightfully crowned queen. Even Rome acceppted her Queenship. [/quote] I trust cappie's authority on this issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tindomiel Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' post='995562' date='Jun 2 2006, 03:51 PM'] anti-queen = imposter queen [/quote] I do actually agree with you on this matter. [quote name='catholicinsd' post='997707' date='Jun 5 2006, 06:15 PM'] Perhaps in the eyes of the Church, but according to English law Elizabeth Tudor wasn't illegtimate, and was rightfully crowned queen. Even Rome acceppted her Queenship. [/quote] Rome wasn't always extraordinarly aware of everything going on in England at this time. (Such knowledge is an advantage of modern technology ) "Since Anne Boleyn was not Henry's rightful wife, Elizabeth was illegitimate and had no right to the throne. The rightful heir should have been Mary Stuart, granddaughter of Henry's sister Margaret and James IV of Scotland." ([i]Christ the King, Lord of History[/i]- pp. 235-236) Inheritance could not be passed down through an illegitimate child anywhere in Europe at this time. Elizabeth only became queen by virtue of Mary Tudor's nomination (made under pressure). And Elizabeth made one of the most horrible queens any country has seen, killing Catholics by the hundreds, and fining the rest for attending Mass. And of course she was also the bloodthirsty murderer of her innocent cousin. So anyway, that was my rant for the day. I have no love for Elizabeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Mary I of England nearly had Elizabeth executed, and she also ordered the executions of enough Anglicans to the name 'Bloody Mary.' Mary, Queen of Scots was executed after plotting a rebellion againist her cousin, Elizabeth. History has been written, stop changing it. Mary I was suceeded by her younger sister, Elizabeth, who was turn succeeded her cousin by James, King of Scots, son of Mary, Queen of Scots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 (edited) I have to say that your very misinformed on this matter. I think you should take a look in a history book or do a little Google. But in case you don't heres some help. Queen Mary I imprisoned Elizabeth in the infamous Tower of London because Elizabeth was suspected in having a part in the Wyatts Rebellion(which tried to prevent Mary from marrying Phillip II of Spain). I think you would imprison someone too if you thought they were trying to "dethrone" you. Queen Mary I did order the execution of many religious dissenters but Queen Elizabeth executed just as many Catholics and most likely more!Queen Elizabeth once had as many as 600 Catholics or more executed for restoring the Mass in a town and another time had 300 priests killed including Edward Champion. Thats the Virgin Queen for ya! Now to Mary the Queen of Scots may she rest in peace! This woman had quite the sad life. As for her "plotting", you may be surprised to know that a lot of historians actually believe that these were made-up lies to "off" her, and fast....which happened. That is the History Lesson for today! Edited June 11, 2006 by Rick777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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