inDEED Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Thanks for posting this! I'm gonna make sure that we sing to our priest, the man who has devoted his entire life in service to us, the Church - a nice happy birthday during the announcements! Oh, by the way - you DID receive the Eurcharist, right? Wow - it must have been COMPLETELY ruined by singing your priest happy birthday... Man oh man...what are our liturgies coming to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afdchick Posted May 18, 2006 Author Share Posted May 18, 2006 [quote name='inDEED' post='984633' date='May 18 2006, 03:33 PM'] Thanks for posting this! I'm gonna make sure that we sing to our priest, the man who has devoted his entire life in service to us, the Church - a nice happy birthday during the announcements! Oh, by the way - you DID receive the Eurcharist, right? Wow - it must have been COMPLETELY ruined by singing your priest happy birthday... Man oh man...what are our liturgies coming to... [/quote] Really it's ok....I don't think we will have any reason to go back there. We were just visiting. It just struck me as odd that's all, I don't think the whole mass was invalid or anything. That part I thought was just kind of irreverent. It wasn't during announcements, it was a little after communion though. Anyways, didn't mean to get people in a tirade. Just stating something I happened to see this weekend that I hadn't ever seen and wondered if anyone else had seen that before. I come from a parish that doesn't even have announcements. Just to show you where I come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicemary Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 heck if the worst the parish did was sing a greeting to their priest what do you think of the droves of people who run out of church right after communion? Most churches I go to the people come in late, and leave early. To me, that is a real issue. And when else would the parish as a whole get to honor their leader? Lighten up a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 my home parish had this thing where all the birthdays would get up and everyone would sing happy birthday. looking back, it was no good, but at the time I was happy to be celebrating my faith community as we journeyed onwards being lights for one another. Mass is the best time to celebrate...us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 [quote name='thessalonian' post='984470' date='May 18 2006, 10:21 AM']Singing happy birthday to the priest is sacralidge and blasphemy? Get a grip. [/quote] I just want to point out that you took his quote out of context. It was during the Mass. I think that it is disrespectful to what Mass, though perhaps an indication of how people approach the Liturgy. It very easily could be sacrilege or blasphemy. [quote]Blasphemy - [b]An irreverent[/b] or impious [b]act, attitude,[/b] or utterance in regard to something considered inviolable or sacrosanct.[/quote] The sarcasm in this thread is saddening and very unwarranted by the original post. However, I take offense to it myself. The attitude is very much "I don't care because it could be worse," which it could be. Even so, I find it disheartening and offensive that since it could be worse we are not allowed to question anything that goes on in the Mass itself. I sit there wanting to cry at many Masses because of the attitude people take towards them and I am able to ignore 90% of all abuses. However, to have people talk down to anyone who thinks "This is the Mass, the place where Our Lord becomes present for the one time in the week that most of us care to sit down before God, I want to for once try and be in His presence for a few minutes and make this the most holy time of my week" sound like their attitude is in the wrong place. I just find it sad that the Liturgy is what it is today and people take the approach that they do... What is a Liturgy when it is no longer Christocentric? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I'm tired of liturgical abuses but I'm more tired of those who attack those who bring them up. This obviously was a liturgical abuse. As for weather it would be considered big or small I dont know- but I do know that Happy Birthday should not have been sung DURING the mass. Before or afterwards- yes. But its just not part of the MASS. It is true however that you gotta try and look past it if its not so serious. At least during mass. Afterwards- pray about it and if you think its serious enough to talk to the priest or write a letter to the Bishop then you should do so. IT is our duty as Catholics to look out for liturgical abuses and try to correct them. But please don't yell at those who bring up liturgical abuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamiller42 Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 afdchick, I know the priest usually takes a little time for announcements and other parish business. This brief period of time, which Happy Birthday song or not, is permitted by the [url="http://www.catholicliturgy.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/documentText/Index/6/SubIndex/97/ContentIndex/175/Start/1"]Rubrics, General Instruction of the Roman Missal, Chapter IV-A, subsection 123[/url]. Between the communion rite and the concluding rite... "123. If there are any brief announcements, they may be made at this time." One may consider the announcing of the Father's birthday as an announcement followed by a brief singing of happy birthday. The Rubrics do not state if you have to leave off the lines "How old are you? How old are you?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappie Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 [quote name='afdchick' post='984437' date='May 19 2006, 01:23 AM'] Ok, so my boyfriend and I went to his cousin's First Communion last week to a church we had never been to. After Communion and before the final blessing the choir director announced that it was the Priest's birthday ans then started singing "Happy Birthday".....uhhh, I was totally disgusted by this. Should I be? Mass was NOT over! I have been going to church a VERY long time and have NEVER seen this. Wow, I was blown away.... [/quote] Happened to me ONCE........never happened again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Mercy me' post='984501' date='May 18 2006, 09:56 AM'] The sheep celebrating their shepherd on his special day seems natural to me. [/quote] [quote name='kamiller42' post='984905' date='May 18 2006, 06:28 PM'] afdchick, I know the priest usually takes a little time for announcements and other parish business. This brief period of time, which Happy Birthday song or not, is permitted by the [url="http://www.catholicliturgy.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/documentText/Index/6/SubIndex/97/ContentIndex/175/Start/1"]Rubrics, General Instruction of the Roman Missal, Chapter IV-A, subsection 123[/url]. Between the communion rite and the concluding rite... "123. If there are any brief announcements, they may be made at this time." One may consider the announcing of the Father's birthday as an announcement followed by a brief singing of happy birthday. The Rubrics do not state if you have to leave off the lines "How old are you? How old are you?" [/quote] This would be only liturgical abuse if it was the wrong time, and "a little after communion" is when the announcements are to take place. That is the appropriate time. So I don't think there was anything wrong with it. Edited May 19, 2006 by prose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inDEED Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 What's annoying to me is the fact that if we did some sort of search on most commonly used phrases on the PM boards, we'd find "liturgical abuse" as one of them... While I know many of my fellow PMers would disagree with me on this statement - I feel that our role, as laity, should be to enjoy the beauty of our Catholic faith in the Mass and check our attitude/pride @ the door. What's funny to me is that I'm 26 years old, have been a cradle Catholic my whole life, and have NEVER experienced so much criticism of our Masses ANYWHERE than here on PM... You may prefer gregorian chant, you may prefer an organ, you may not like holding hands, etc. - but what about the Eucharist? Let's stop complaining and waging war on what we see as "liturgical abuses" and go back to appreciating what we DO have in the Mass - the body and blood of our Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 [quote name='afdchick' post='984437' date='May 18 2006, 08:23 AM'] Ok, so my boyfriend and I went to his cousin's First Communion last week to a church we had never been to. After Communion and before the final blessing the choir director announced that it was the Priest's birthday ans then started singing "Happy Birthday".....uhhh, I was totally disgusted by this. Should I be? Mass was NOT over! I have been going to church a VERY long time and have NEVER seen this. Wow, I was blown away.... [/quote] During Church? After Church or before I don't see a problem with, but during I don't think is okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 Well, often people think that the Mass ends with Communion, especially at my parish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 (edited) [quote name='inDEED' post='985083' date='May 18 2006, 09:51 PM'] What's annoying to me is the fact that if we did some sort of search on most commonly used phrases on the PM boards, we'd find "liturgical abuse" as one of them... While I know many of my fellow PMers would disagree with me on this statement - I feel that our role, as laity, should be to enjoy the beauty of our Catholic faith in the Mass and check our attitude/pride @ the door. What's funny to me is that I'm 26 years old, have been a cradle Catholic my whole life, and have NEVER experienced so much criticism of our Masses ANYWHERE than here on PM... You may prefer gregorian chant, you may prefer an organ, you may not like holding hands, etc. - but what about the Eucharist? Let's stop complaining and waging war on what we see as "liturgical abuses" and go back to appreciating what we DO have in the Mass - the body and blood of our Lord. [/quote] :applause: Edited May 19, 2006 by prose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 This reminds me of the Dave Allen skit about the choir director leading the congregation in singing "Happy Birthday" to the bishop on the altar. The bishop then proceeded to blow out the candles on the altar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wopsim Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 [quote name='inDEED' post='985083' date='May 18 2006, 08:51 PM'] What's annoying to me is the fact that if we did some sort of search on most commonly used phrases on the PM boards, we'd find "liturgical abuse" as one of them... While I know many of my fellow PMers would disagree with me on this statement - I feel that our role, as laity, should be to enjoy the beauty of our Catholic faith in the Mass and check our attitude/pride @ the door. What's funny to me is that I'm 26 years old, have been a cradle Catholic my whole life, and have NEVER experienced so much criticism of our Masses ANYWHERE than here on PM... You may prefer gregorian chant, you may prefer an organ, you may not like holding hands, etc. - but what about the Eucharist? Let's stop complaining and waging war on what we see as "liturgical abuses" and go back to appreciating what we DO have in the Mass - the body and blood of our Lord. [/quote] wow.... you took the words right out of my mouth (only i'm not 26 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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