Da Vinci Code

[Jaime]

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You know in the venting, I think I've found the source of my rant



We are so ready willing and able to point to outside sources and say "There!! That's what's causing our problems" Because it diverts us from what the real problem is. Plus we can ignore our own culpablility in our problems (our as in "myself included")

If the devil is involved in making this book and movie popular, he's rejoicing in the real victory. Our diversion from serious problems.

[Cam42]

Great point.

[Theoketos]

Catechesis flowers from evangelazation, which begins with the family, the domestic Church. When the family fails, so to does everything else. And back to Jamie's point...The greatest dragon recently against Christendom is the contraceptive mentality, it makes us impotent in our Social Thought.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Seven77' post='982989' date='May 16 2006, 07:19 PM']
poor catechisis was phase 1

phase 2 has begun...

the antidote is in the posion...using satan's trap against him. and thats catechisis on the occasion of dumb vinci.

Red that quote reminds me of Sundays Gospel!
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which quote?

[Guest phatdaddy]

[quote name='Theoketos' post='983226' date='May 16 2006, 10:53 PM']
Catechesis flowers from evangelazation, which begins with the family, the domestic Church. When the family fails, so to does everything else. And back to Jamie's point...The greatest dragon recently against Christendom is the contraceptive mentality, it makes us impotent in our Social Thought.
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I was so enjoying ready these post. I think you alll nailed it. Especially the point made above. For me and my family, having lived through the turbulent times of the watered down Catholism, we took our responsibilities as catholic educators seriously, not only for each each other, but also for our children. 16 years ago we began the awsome task of Catholic homeschooling and providing the kids with a solid Catholic education. It has really helped us to survive the "liberal" wave and hold on to orthodoxy.

On another note. I was thinking that this Duh Vinci Code thing is one more scourge on our beloved Church. Whereas the clergy scandal a few years ago and this Code is a reaping what the teaching church and clergy have sown for the last 40 years, I think it is also a wakeup call to the bishops and clergy who have been asleep at the wheel. I pray that God will use this latest scandal to bring to light just how lacking Catholic catechesis has been. And then of course try to correct it.

Anyway I just wanted to add my 2 cents. Thanks ppl. :

I am of this whole book/movie thing. And this too shall pass.

[Kristen]

I think this raises a bigger point, one regarding censorship and freedom and what really helps people to grow in their faith. I think that by railing against Da Vinci we can fall into a type of "censorship" defensive attitude. Often, by withholding responsability from people we can shelter them from bad ideas, but also shelter them from maturity, and from growing stronger through personal challenge. In allowing freedom...i.e. someone to read the DV book or movie, I think we will have a stronger faith in the long run than if we had not been exposed to quetions that can shake the foundations of faith. I think the idea of being on the offense, focusing on the basics of living and evangelizing our faith, so much more is done than with protests.

[Seven77]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='982952' date='May 16 2006, 06:00 PM']
again, i think it boils down to a crisis of faith (back to George Weigel again ):

Every Christian fails on the road to sanctity. Some of us fail often, and many of us fail grievously. In each case, the failure is one of discipleship. Men and women who have truly encountered the Risen Christ in the transforming experience of conversion - an experience that can take a lifetime - live different kinds of lives: They lead the life of a disciple. (The Courage to be Catholic, George Weigel)


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Just as a branch cannot bear fruit on its own
unless it remains on the vine,
so neither can you unless you remain in me.
I am the vine, you are the branches.
Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit,
because without me you can do nothing.
...
By this is my Father glorified,
that you bear much fruit and become my disciples

- John 15

[Lil Red]

gotcha

[Socrates]

[quote name='Kristen' post='983781' date='May 17 2006, 01:01 PM']
I think this raises a bigger point, one regarding censorship and freedom and what really helps people to grow in their faith. I think that by railing against Da Vinci we can fall into a type of "censorship" defensive attitude. Often, by withholding responsability from people we can shelter them from bad ideas, but also shelter them from maturity, and from growing stronger through personal challenge. In allowing freedom...i.e. someone to read the DV book or movie, I think we will have a stronger faith in the long run than if we had not been exposed to quetions that can shake the foundations of faith. I think the idea of being on the offense, focusing on the basics of living and evangelizing our faith, so much more is done than with protests.
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Do you really think reading the nonsense of TDVC makes one stronger or "more mature" in their faith? It is rather pointless to those who already are strong in their Faith (its nonsense hardly poses a challenge), and all the evidence is that it is often poison to those who are not.

Catholics should refrain from watching the flick or buying the book because they should not be giving financial support to blasphemy.