Somolia

[jasJis]

If Catholic Christianity is just detached gadflyism, no wonder I'm not Catholic. I thought being Christian was being engaged in the world, bringing Christianity to the world, including the Governments.

You just can't polish a t***.

[Jaime]

[quote name='jasJis' post='980130' date='May 13 2006, 11:27 AM']
If Catholic Christianity is just detached gadflyism, no wonder I'm not Catholic. I thought being Christian was being engaged in the world, bringing Christianity to the world, including the Governments.

You just can't polish a t***.
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[quote]Should the US and Britan move into Somolia to keep the factions apart? Should the US and Britan pressure the UN to do increase the UN Troops instead? Should the UN be pressured to use different troops than the ones that have been associated with atrocities?

Having troops move in may not be the best answer, but it's been more than 10 years. Clinton pulled out troops because they became political pawns to 'public opinion' and could not do the job they were supposed to. It's not a perfect world.[/quote]


[quote]There is not a legitimate Government there and hasn't been for some time. Different factions are fighting and the civilians are the biggest casualties.

Is the rest of the World Community responsible to go in and help establish a government / civil order?
Why or why not?
If so, what are some of the ways the World Community can help establish civil order?
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Your arguments infer that government should get involved. You're arguing a liberal's viewpoint. And that isn't the only solution.

What has the US or the UN done for Guatemala? Subsidies. that's it. What has the Church done for Guatemala? A heck of a lot more.

You argue that the Church isn't engaged in the world, you haven't seen it in action. You're speaking out of ignorance. In Somalia the presence of missions would go much further than the presence of troops.

[jasJis]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='980149' date='May 13 2006, 10:40 AM']
Your arguments infer that government should get involved. You're arguing a liberal's viewpoint. And that isn't the only solution.

What has the US or the UN done for Guatemala? Subsidies. that's it. What has the Church done for Guatemala? A heck of a lot more.

You argue that the Church isn't engaged in the world, you haven't seen it in action. You're speaking out of ignorance. In Somalia the presence of missions would go much further than the presence of troops.
[/quote]yep. Tell the families of the 200+ that were killed last week at least they can thank the Church for a full belly and quit whining.

[Jaime]

[quote name='jasJis' post='980315' date='May 13 2006, 01:18 PM']
yep. Tell the families of the 200+ that were killed last week at least they can thank the Church for a full belly and quit whining.
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For the love of Pete

Is the death of 200 people terrible and tragic? Absolutely. Does that negate the fact that the Church does more good than any government or any other agency.

What's the magical cure Jas? What's going to end all suffering? Cuz as far as I can tell were stuck with it until Christ returns.

[jasJis]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='980615' date='May 13 2006, 06:36 PM']
For the love of Pete

Is the death of 200 people terrible and tragic? Absolutely. Does that negate the fact that the Church does more good than any government or any other agency.

What's the magical cure Jas? What's going to end all suffering? Cuz as far as I can tell were stuck with it until Christ returns.[/quote]Nope. That's a small and superficial answer. Christianity is in a position to do more but chose to not because of politics and being misguided. If the Catholic Church was really committed to the dignity of people, it would certainly be much clearer about permitting 'catholics' to vote for pro-abortionists. But fetus' don't tithe or vote. Illegal immigrants make more $$ and are more important and have inherent political capitol. It is more beneficial to the powerful in the Catholic Church to curry favor with the politicians and powerbrokers that would rather smell of elderberries the brains out of a baby than give a foreigner a work permit.

[Jaime]

[quote name='jasJis' post='980863' date='May 14 2006, 08:47 AM']
Nope. That's a small and superficial answer. Christianity is in a position to do more but chose to not because of politics and being misguided. If the Catholic Church was really committed to the dignity of people, it would certainly be much clearer about permitting 'catholics' to vote for pro-abortionists. But fetus' don't tithe or vote. Illegal immigrants make more $$ and are more important and have inherent political capitol. It is more beneficial to the powerful in the Catholic Church to curry favor with the politicians and powerbrokers that would rather smell of elderberries the brains out of a baby than give a foreigner a work permit.
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Ok well that's just...

well its silly.

The Church could not be clearer about voting. Now if you said "The Church could do more in the catechesis of people so they KNOW they teachings of the Church" then I'd agree with you.


You're all over the board Jas. You wanna have a discussion on Somalia? Super. If you just want to air private rants about the Church, well that's just unproductive.