Jake Huether Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 So, if the Bishops vote, the Pope assents, then we have an infallible interpretation, and that goes for NOW, as well as all times in the past, when those conditions were met. In matters of faith and morals, this is a true statement. OR.... As I stated from previous Official sites, IF error is found, given those conditions, then the Magisterium DID NOT come into play? The previous sites declare no such thing. Given those conditions error will not be found. You have provided no evidence to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 8, 2004 Author Share Posted January 8, 2004 Could you please interpret this one for me, I stumbled over it while researching this thread and I'm confused...again. Catholic Encyclopedia - "A sinful pope... remains a member of the (visible) Church and is to be treated as a sinful, unjust ruler for whom we must pray, but from whom we may not withdraw our obedience Am I reading this one right? Obedience is required while that Pope is alive, even when the Magisterium considers him a "sinful UNJUST ruler?" Help me understand this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Could you please interpret this one for me, I stumbled over it while researching this thread and I'm confused...again. The Pope is a human, sinful and unjust. We all are. He is to be treeted as a human. But he is to be obeyed in his official teachings, because when he officially teaches on faith and morals it is not he who is teaching, but God who is teaching us through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 (edited) "Am I the ONLY one who watches Catholic TV every night?" That's sick. Edited January 8, 2004 by Donna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Remember the suggestion to read Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott? In it are listed theological grades of certitude re: doctrines. Not all carry the same degree of certitude. If you really want, Bruce, I can list them for you. We should remember that theology is a science. And the highest of all sciences, surpassing the natural sciences. So it can really get complex. But God and the Church is for everyone, down to the infant who knows nothing. More than a few canonized saints were not even close to being doctors or theologians. But, in order for theology to be the science that it is, it must rest upon true philosophy. If it rests on de Cartes ("I think, therefore I am" instead of existence pointing to a First Cause,[God]), it will be false theology. Hence, the condemning of certain opinions and the need to work within parameters of sound ness. Do you live nearby a bridge, Bruce? Why doesn't the city tear down its guardrail? We are grown men, after all; let us travel unencumbered. Let the children taste the free air. Aristotle, scholasticism, Aquinas: the guardrails of right thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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